Pemalite said:
zeldaring said:
Yea its hilarious that he keeps on telling us no cares for graphics but the main selling point of switch 2 is hardware being more powerful. If your statics are right it differently shows that people still value powerful hardware. Keep in mind that switch 2 releases in mid 2025 and 2 after it's unfortunately gonna be extremely dated. |
The statistics are direct from Steam hardware survey itself.
Soundwave said:
Even this isn't true, a 2050 runs basically most modern games and it has a whopping 4GB @96GB/sec. The amount of RAM (4GB) is the bigger bottleneck than the bandwidth. |
No one has even talked about 4GB cards until you mentioned it, nor was it part of my statistics, stop shifting the goal post to fit your falsified agenda.
The Geforce RTX 2050 has only 112GB/s of bandwidth, it's not going to effectively use more than 4GB anyway... I don't think you understand how much of a significant hindrance a 64bit memory bus is for driving bandwidth needed for 1080P gaming.
The RTX 2050 is a garbage GPU and was never a serious recommendation for any gamer to buy.
Soundwave said:
The Switch 2 has higher bandwidth RAM and a good deal more than that. Switch 2 has more than 8GB too, unless anyone thinks Nintendo is using 4GB for the OS, which is nonsensical since the Switch 1 only uses like 750MB as is. It's more likely the Switch 2 has 10-11GB for games available to it which is a healthy upgrade on the XBox Series S. |
Stop ignoring the evidence.
Vast majority of PC gamers have hardware that vastly exceed the theoretical Switch 2.0 at this point.
You -do- need to accept that... As it's literally fact.
The Switch 1.0 does not use 750MB of Ram for the OS. It's 1GB reserved.
As for the 4GB argument, I was throwing out hypothetical's at the time, nor has it been confirmed how much Ram the Switch 2.0 OS will be using... But I am absolutely hoping it's more than 1GB as the current Switch OS is slow, clunky and unresponsive... And lacks a vast array of modern features like voice chat.
And yet... A PC with 16GB System Ram and a 6GB GPU, still has twice the available Ram as the Switch... And that's the vast majority of PC's that meet or exceed that as per the evidence provided prior.
Soundwave said:
Actually it is, my point was most of the top Steam GPUs are low end GPUs, the 2050 is in that category. You don't get to say "it doesn't count" because it disproves your point. The 2050 is a popular choice for a lot of gamers that don't want to spend a ton of money. |
You need to stop lying. The top Steam GPU's are mid-range.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
* Geforce 3060 is -the- most popular GPU on Steam.
Again. I have provided the evidence. Stop arguing against evidence and start providing better evidence.
You are also being a hypocrite, is graphics and hardware important... Or not? Make up your mind. Or is it only important if it pertains to your particular platform of choice that you invest your time and money on?
Soundwave said:
No developer out here is going "y'know I've spent $150 million making this game, now let me lock it off to a tiny audience of 40 series card owners". That's not a reality anywhere and won't be probably even in the next 5 years. |
Stop shifting the goal post. No one has said anything along those lines, except you.
Soundwave said:
Graphics enthusiasts like the type that watch Digital Foundry videos and all that shit are a tiny part of the actual market. You're not making big money targeting that audience solely and it's been shown again and again with multiple flops/underperforming games this gen that people don't give a shit about that. |
Digital Foundry aren't primarily about graphics anyway... Making this argument blatantly false.
Secondly, Digital Foundry covers retro games and Switch 1.0 games rather heavily and tends to primarily base their videos around the analytical side of games, platforms and technology rather than pure graphics.
Chrkeller said:
It doesn't count because YOU listed a bunch of GPUs and I pointed out the 200 to 300% difference in memory bandwidth. Then you shifted goals posts and started adding hardware that wasn't part of the original discussion. And I would be surprised if anyone is buying a 2050 these days. I'm not sure it is even available anymore. |
The 2050 is still available in shitty low-end notebooks.
But truth be told, the price jump between an RTX 2050 notebook and a 3060/4060 is pretty much negligible that it's a silly purchase anyway.
It was never released on desktop as it would have been a redundant release with how capable integrated graphics and last-gen GPU's are.
Soundwave said:
The 2050 shows that modern games can be run on even lower bandwidth than what the Switch 2 has. Of course you hate it when anyone points stuff like that out because you have a tech nerd agenda (on a sales board for some reason), again maybe expend that energy buying some of these tech showcase games, but your group of techies don't show up for any of those games anyway, so it's like well who gives a fuck then. Lots of talk, not a whole lot of actual action, turns out making games for the "Digital Foundry" audience isn't very smart based on the sales data we are getting. Publishers are making sure their games run on low RAM, low bandwidth environments. |
No one has argued that the RTX 2050 can't run modern games. Stop shifting the goal post.
It's still a shit GPU either way, it's the worst RTX GPU in nVidia's arsenal... And I would not recommend it for 1080P, 60fps gaming as it's simply inadequate for that job. Soundwave said:
You sure love moving goalposts all the time, so gimme a break. My point was low end GPUs dominate the Steam charts, that's a fact. |
Considering you keep making this claim and provided zero evidence... It's not yet regarded as fact.
I however... Have provided evidence, empirical evidence, straight from Steam itself which has determined this statement to be a lie.
Soundwave said:
I mean that also shows over 60% have 8GB or less GPUs, lol, like that's not the flex you think it is. That means I wouldn't be counting on games that require more than 8GB of VRAM any time soon. There's more people that have 4GB GPUs than 16GB + 24GB combined. |
PC has System Ram. |
