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SanAndreasX on 17 April 2024
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Biggerboat1 said:
zorg1000 said:

I called it a gotcha because it seemed like you were fishing for a contradiction with my stance. I never said anything like more left=better or anybody to the right of me is selfish.

I also don’t feel like I’ve been “hurling insults”, I said one of his arguments was hypocritical and that he displayed a “fuck you, got mine” mentality. That’s really not that extreme.

As for good faith arguments, I’m not sure the person who generalizes people struggling with student debt as getting dumb degrees and lacking personal responsibility is really open to persuasion to begin with.

This all just comes off as overly sensitive tone policing.

I wasn't fishing for a contradiction, I actually think it's healthy to have an opinion or two that don't fit the consensus of a person's particular political group as it shows they're critically thinking about each individual topic, rather than just subscribing wholesale to the stance of whatever 'tribe' they see themselves as part of.

I'm not saying this applies to you btw, I'm just explaining that I wasn't trying to catch you out in any way.

I believe you also used 'selfish', but fair play, maybe 'hurling insults' is a bit on the hyperbolic side.

I think you're conflating 'bad faith' with what what you would perceive as 'uninformed'. If you think Chrkeller's stance is wrong then why not just provide evidence to the contrary or a counter argument, without the aspersions?

Anyway, I don't see much road left in this particular convo. As you can see from my post history, I'm not going around tut-tut'ing everyone for being mean or 'tone policing'. If someone is using unconstructive language in a debate about what process node the Switch 2 GPU will be manufactured on I don't really care.

However, I see politics as much more important & it truly terrifies me that the US could feasibly elect Trump again. I obviously don't live in the US but the UK is very much down-stream from a lot of what happens in the States. I'd love to see the left trying in general to be a bit more charitable/tolerant of divergent views (within reason of course) and bring people over, rather than condescend & risk driving people to MAGA.

Most of the people being "driven to MAGA" are using that as an excuse. They were never going to vote for Biden anyway, especially if their reason for voting Trump was because someone was mean to them.

The right says all kinds of horrible things. Here in the United States, we have a Republican Senator telling his constituents to use deadly violence against people they don't agree with. Yet the Republican Party is never called out on rhetoric that could drive people into the arms of Biden. They double down on it.