Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[Bofferbrauer2]

Ryuu96 said:

BFR said:

NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 on X: "Germany will head an immediate search for air defense systems such as Patriot across the world intended to be sent to Ukraine, Minister of Foreign Affairs Kuleba said in a joint statement with his German counterpart Annalena Baerbock. Well, better late than never. https://t.co/V0SJtjISML" / X (twitter.com)

BFR said:

NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 on X: "Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba spoke with US Secretary Blinken on Russia's increased air terror against Ukrainian cities and communities, and urged his American partners to find ways to provide additional Patriot air defense systems as soon as possible. "I am grateful to the… https://t.co/eWl550T0vD" / X (twitter.com)

Shouldn't be a long search, we know who has Patriots, Lol.

Reportedly Germany has 11 systems with 4 extra in order, Greece has 6 systems, Israel has a battery which is apparently being replaced by "David's Sling". Japan has 6 systems, Jordan operates "3-4" batteries. Kuwait has a few. Netherlands has 3 batteries, Poland has 3 with another 6 on order. Qatar has 11, Romania has 4, Saudi Arabia has some, South Korea has 8 batteries, Spain has 3, Sweden has some, Taiwan has a few. America operates 15+ and Morocco has ordered some, plus Switzerland has ordered 5 batteries.

It's not a case of them being in short supply, there are plenty out there, now, Greece likely won't give theirs away due to that dickhead Erdogan threatening them constantly, Japan and South Korea likely won't give theirs away due to North Korea constantly lobbing missiles near them and Taiwan obviously won't give theirs away due to China, America currently can't send any due to Republicans blocking aid.

Seems like someone will either have to send Ukraine a few more Patriots free of charge or someone is going to have to step up and buy a few from America on behalf of Ukraine, or it could be that someone like Germany buys a Patriot from another country aside from America who then uses that money to buy a replacement from America, Idk.

I'd say Spain, Germany and Netherlands should send an extra Patriot battery, these are countries at threat from absolutely nobody, Lol. Then somebody could maybe offer to buy a Patriot battery from any one of Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc and they can use that money to buy a replacement from America. Why can't Poland and Romania send one each if Ukraine promises to keep them in Lviv and Chernivtsi? The range would extend into both Poland and Romania.

Well, they have the launchers... but how many missiles do they each have?

Ukraine doesn't need that many more launchers, but they need the patriot missiles that are launched with them, and those might be not ordered in such great numbers.

Also, not all the launchers are he same. MIM 104 (the military designation of the Patriot systems) A-D (base model, PAC-1) are all the same, but E (PAC-2), F (2 variants, PAC-3 and PAC-3 MSE; the latter is also known as MEADS) and SkyCeptor (PAAC-4) all have sizes that differ from each other and from the older models, making their launchers non-compatible with the other models. The models before PAC-3 are all outdated and mostly retired by now, but even with just the current MIM-104 F and SkyCeptor systems we'll have 3 different missiles which need different canister launchers. Worse, SkyCeptor's IR tracking also needs different ground tracking equipment.

The US and Japan are the only producers of Patriot missiles, and they are currently in very high demand, with deliveries taking up to 15 months right now. As a result, more Patriot systems doesn't necessarily result in Ukraine having better air defense capabilities, as there are simply not enough missiles to feed them all.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 05 April 2024