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JRPGfan said:

The world gone crazy....

Russian invadeing Ukraine:
400k+ causilites on russian side (military that arnt able bodied anymore to fight) (~180,000 deaths) and 190k+ casulties on ukrines side (~80k deaths). In ukrine thers been over 30,000 civilian deaths as well.

Then theres this..... the Israel hamas war... again, alot of civilian deaths (over 30k as well).

Can we just all chill out?
I miss the 90's, they seemed so much more peacefull.

RolStoppable said:
JRPGfan said:

The world gone crazy....

Russian invadeing Ukraine:
400k+ causilites on russian side (military that arnt able bodied anymore to fight) (~180,000 deaths) and 190k+ casulties on ukrines side (~80k deaths). In ukrine thers been over 30,000 civilian deaths as well.

Then theres this..... the Israel hamas war... again, alot of civilian deaths (over 30k as well).

Can we just all chill out?
I miss the 90's, they seemed so much more peacefull.

Perception of peace is largely tied to how important the various wars are deemed by Europeans and the same holds true for Americans. There are ongoing wars all the time - I think the number of days recorded without active fighting in a war on this planet since 1945 is around 10 (in words: ten) - but us Europeans don't care about Africans and Asians. But we do care about Europe, hence why Ukraine continues to be a persistent topic on the news. And we care about Israel as the only Asian country we give a damn about as a consequence of collective guilt that the holocaust was allowed to happen.

A feeling of guilt that is apparently so strong that it even makes us willing to support the far-right Israelis who commit a genocide in Gaza right now. This is so messed up, because the lesson learned from the holocaust should be that we do not stand by and watch how something like it happens again.

As for the 1990s, it was the time of the civil war in Yugoslavia where also a genocide was committed (much smaller scale than Gaza though). So... selective memory at work here, if even something that happened in Europe is forgotten.

Indeed, it will always be a messed up place, we're lucky where we were born is all. 

The issue with Gaza's genocide is that we're complicit, and the level of complicity is astounding, it can be curbed if real pressure is applied. But there's been non, the occasional empty words but no real action, no matter how proudly genocidal the IDF gets, the weapons, the tax money, the support will continue. We could say it was different a decade ago when the public didn't have strong feelings about this issue but it's clear as day the majority, at the very least, want a ceasefire, but politicians continue to take us for fools, the best they could do is to pull stunts to make it seem like they're doing something and it is just embarrassing to watch, no one is buying it. What a clown show. 

What does the IDF have to do at this stage to get on our bad side? Whatever answer we think of, they've already done it, this is basically a green light to not only continue doing what they're doing, but be even more ambitious with their genocidal and displacement plans. Shame. 

The Yemen war was just as bad, the gulf states came out unscathed, stronger and scarier than ever, even, having learned how to get away with genocide the way Israel does. As if the unchecked corporatocracy at home wasn't destructive enough, we're in for interesting times and I am not looking forward to it.