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Soundwave on 04 March 2024
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sc94597 said:
Soundwave said:

Who will make the "things" that have "prices" on them, and where will the people "buying" those "things" get that "currency" from. It will likely have to be a centralized organization ... or "government". Or will some "god like" AI also run that? 

And what happens per chance when such an AI decides it would be better off without human beings or at least, so many of them. 

Why would production have to be centralized? You haven't supported this assumption. What we are seeing now is that there is no moat when it comes to AI technologies. Open-source models only lag about a year behind proprietary ones - at most, and there are many competitors even in the proprietary sphere. I expect that to persist into the future. Combine that with advancements in additive manufacturing and robotics, and the ability to have a class (or governmental) monopoly on productive capital reduces. So those are two productive inputs (capital, and data) that are widely available with few barriers, if we are willing to ditch the idea of intellectual property. Firm production likely will be outmoded under these conditions in way of commons based peer production.

That would mean for individuals, most things needed to live probably won't have any prices or would have trivial prices. Beyond that, you probably would still have some sort of market-exchange for specialized goods and you don't need firms or wage-labor to have money. Money is older than firms and wage-labor. 

Why would I work for anything, like food production ... for what exactly? So who is going to do those jobs? Robots as well? 

An AI could also very easily come to the realization that 9 billion humans is an awful lot. You don't need that many people, you could end most of them and just keep a few around in a kind of human zoo and still know everything you need to know about humans. Because if it develops the intelligence to drive vehicles, and create artwork, and perform surgery, develop medicines and cures for diseases, etc. etc. etc. ... it's not going to just turn itself off and stop there. 

The "moat" will be mass protests in the streets, riots, overthrows of governments and corporations against this stuff from ever reaching that point. 

When it's 100,000 people losing their job, fine OK. 1 million alright. 10 million ... uh now it's getting dicey, millions of people in every country with young people having no chance of even ever getting a job ... you're going to have mass hysteria and people just burning and looting stuff all over the place. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 04 March 2024