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Machiavellian on 13 February 2024
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Azzanation said:

Azzanation said:

You cannot call Checkmate when the other player can still move, you would know that if you played Chess. Buckle up, because here is my move.

So you are assuming GamePass can no longer grow? How does this even affect the point of having competition? Xbox exists to this day and you are saying GP has hit a wall.. while debating with me that competition is needed? GP on Nintendo and Sony will gain more customers than it being on Xbox. My facts is easily based on Userbase size. 200m gamers combined on Switch and PS compared to 30m on Xbox. Bigger audience, higher chance of converting a customer.

Its simple logic. 

Pemalite said:

The difference between you and me is... You have only provided opinions.

I have provided evidence.

Meaning... I have the high ground and we can discard your position as false.

You haven't proven anything with this point. You brought up Epics gaming Engine which is completely unrelated and an attempt to spin. 

In Bald. Your list shows 8 Companies that walked out of the console hardware market. Proof that the 3rd player always struggles to the point of exiting. Your fact has been countered and debunked. Its only a matter of time before MS pull the pin like all the others. Do you see the pattern in that list yet?

1st console generation: Magnavox, Atari and Coleco.
2nd console generation: Magnavox, Atari, Coleco, Intellivision.
3rd console generation: Nintendo, Sega, Atari.
4th console generation: Nintendo, Sega, Atari, NEC, SNK.
5th console generation: Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Atari, Panasonic (3do conglomerates of Panasonic, Sanyo, Creative, Goldstar).
6th console generation: Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Sony.
7th console generation: Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony.
8th console generation: Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony.
9th console generation: Microsoft, Sony and eventually Nintendo.

So, you admit that console competition isn't the reason we have good prices? Thats dictated outside the console walls. So, weather Xbox exists or it doesn't, price hikes are not something these company's control. So again, why do we need Xbox hardware if Chip makers create the prices?

Which one is it than, chip makers or console makers?

Pemalite said:

Yes you do need competition to make a "good" video game.

Developers trial new ideas and concepts constantly, they release that into the marketplace, competition dictates whether those ideas and concepts are viable and good.

No, you don't, this is completely false. If you have money, you can fund game projects, games quality is based on budget and time, not whether or not competition exists. That is a ridiculous thing to say. 

You said Steam competes with consoles, so we don't need Xbox hardware. Because if Xbox drop out, Sony and Nintendo won't have a monopoly because Steam exists, correct? You proved my point with your replies, and you were calling checkmate? Bro.

If you are an Xbox fan, I understand you aren't happy if Xbox walks, but i am just saying the obvious. Xbox isn't needed for the console market to thrive. The market is not big enough to sustain all 3 companies, 1 will eventually walk out, and another will try to take its place only to fall in the same situation many before it has. 

You only know if you need something until its gone.  You have no clue how the market would change if MS does not have a competitive console.  One thing for sure is that you can believe all mega corporations will take full advantage of it so yes if you believe that Sony would sell at a loss their next system if MS is gone, you are deluding yourself.  Its not just the consumers that lose out its also the devs and other studios.  Fees go up, hell everything goes up because you just do not have to worry about competition.  No one knows what happens if MS leave and no one knows what will happen if MS goes limited multiplat which if you think about it they already operate in that fashion especially with ABK.  What determine success today is not always what you believe you know because you only live in the moment.