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LurkerJ said:

Frankly, the best thing that can happen to Europe is to divorce themselves from the USA and achieve self-sufficiency. What's the point of continuing to align yourself with a country that is geographically protected from all the consequences of its unbelievably stupid for policies creating refugee crisis after crisis that Europe has to bear the brunt of. To top it off Europe has to worry every few years about who's going to be the president there because a group of voters there have some serious daddy issues and are looking for a macho man to rule them and says things like you don't pay we don't play. You have already had four years of this joke of a guy, we are at the point where Biden is more strict on the border than he ever was, you must know it's all an act at this point, what is the goddamn appeal anymore?

I'm definitely all for European self-sufficiency but the end of NATO (because make no mistake, Trump wouldn't protect anyone even if they paid NATO money) would also imply Italian and potentially German nukes, a flaring of Greek-Turkish tensions, Putin setting his eyes on eastern Latvia and Estonia, etc.

Not to mention if he does the same in the east, we get the Japanese and South Korean nukes in the Pacific, the invasion of Taiwan, the inevitable retreat from America from the Indo-Pacific theatre.

And that's without the massive backsliding in American (and potentially some Latin American countries too) democracy. Just a shittier world all around.