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[Shtinamin_]

Ryuu96 said:

Shtinamin_ said:

May I ask why you (also for anyone too) think America needs to provide Ukraine with more funds?

There should be no other reason other than simply doing the right thing, for the betterment of the human species, standing up to fascists around the world, but I understand humanity is full of selfish people so for more reasons...

1. The vast majority of equipment which America has been sending to Ukraine has been old equipment, not newly built, equipment which has been rotting away inside of some military facility not even being used. The stuff being sent to Ukraine isn't going to the American people, it was never going to the American people, instead it would have rotted away in some warehouse destined for eventual scrap after already spending hundreds of millions.

2. The amount of aid which America is supplying to Ukraine compared to their total military spending is an absolutely insignificant % and even more so when compared to America's total GDP. America is more than capable of both aiding Ukraine and helping American people, the latter is just a choice.

3. More selfish reasons which should have appealed to Republicans is jobs, the equipment which America does actually manufacture for Ukraine such as artillery will be made in factories inside of America, bringing more jobs to Americans. Ukraine Aid’s Best-Kept Secret: Most of the Money Stays in the U.S.A. - The Washington Post

4. I can't think of a better way to use this, after America has spent hundreds of billions building up its military, precisely because of the threat of Russia and China, to finally put it to use and significantly weaken one of these dictator countries, but now America suddenly has cold feet? What the hell was your military even for? The real truth is that Trump doesn't want to upset his buddy Putin and Republicans follow every word Trump says now.

5. Defeating Russia in Ukraine will deter other imperialist countries from performing their own land grab attempts, when Europe and America show a united front and thoroughly put down Russia. China would have to be insane to attempt the same with Taiwan. However if America gives up on Ukraine, it will give China the perfect battle strategy for taking Taiwan, another ally of America, leading to more wars and let me tell you, the entire world will feel the consequences of a Taiwan war.

6. History. You think Russia will stop at Ukraine if they win? They absolutely won't, Georgia and Moldova will likely be next, more people will die, more wars will happen, European stability will break down and the global ramifications of all these wars will affect Americans. People think sticking their heads in the sand and trying to ignore an aggressive country is the way to stop wars. Wrong. That just encourages the aggressor country to further expand because it believes nobody will stand up to them. America may think it's safe over the ocean, but nothing is impossible when a dictator like Putin becomes overly confident in his abilities and underestimates everyone else's.

7. Your European allies? I imagine you'll say that Ukraine is not an ally of America but Europe is, or, we are suppose to be, and Europe is very much asking America to help us, we need America's help and many in Europe are quite rightfully scared of Russia's aggression, you want to spit in your allies faces, especially eastern Europe? Then fuck America and as a Brit I would hope that UK says fuck America too and further aligns themselves with EU.

Cool, I like your points.
Except the end of 7. That seemed to be personal for you. I don't see a reason to put it in.
Thank you for your answer, ir shows great depth of research.

How come NATO wouldn't let Ukraine in? Are the leaders in NATO not ready for an all out war with Russia, China and North Korea? Or is there an underlying reason?