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[Ryuu96]

LurkerJ said:

No one is suddenly talk about Biden's age, it's been an increasingly relevant conversation as time goes by, and it will only become more relevant by November 2024, there is no cure for dementia and cognitive decline, it doesn't matter which doctors you're surrounded by. Bernie is older but he's obviously more physically robust and mentally sharper. Both are at a higher risk of sudden death but only one is actually capable of running a campaign. 

We have ample of evidence of the DNC rigging primaries and weaponising mainstream media against Bernie and others. The "unelectable" brand he's been given by them is laughable when they pushed Hilary down America's throat as well as Kamala Harris, and now genocide demented Joe is more electable, ok. We've not had a fair democratic process without dark money pushing thumbs on the scale and the proper left isn't going anywhere by giving up all the leverage to people like Biden. 

(We're also not going anywhere if we ignore key issues people are concerned about, We had a chance with Corbyn here but he burned it to ashes because he was an idiot who ran an Anti-Brexit campaign after the people have made their will clear, he chose to be annihilated. As un-enthusing and horrible Sir Kier will be for us, he's at least not as a big of an idiot). 

Even if you think Biden is the indisputable choice, Biden running on "Trump is a threat to democracy" may want to clean up his own house first, the short of shit DNC is involved in reeks is the sort of thing you'd expect to happen in countries like Iran, the left should absolutely hold his feet to the fire and demand change instead of giving up all leverage this early. I also find the "Trump would be worse for Palestinians" to be insulting for Palestinians who haven't been able to have a shower for months, they're walking painted with the blood of their relatives breathing of the dust their homes were turned into. Biden is doing absolutely nothing for Palestinians and Netanyahu isn't listening to either candidate. 

JOE BIDEN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE HE IS OPPOSED TO GENOCIDE IN GAZA

The White House is campaigning to spin Biden’s support for Israel’s war while actively facilitating the slaughter.

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/17/biden-gaza-genocide-israel-aid/

He already has the green light to do anything he wants from Biden, how is a continuation of that green light from Trump is worse? it's going to be the same for them, no evidence suggests otherwise. Please, Biden has been slapped and humiliated repeatedly by MBS and the autocrats the USA put in power since he was elected. America's leverage only works over poor Europe who keeps backing the USA actions and suffer the consequences of those actions more than the USA will ever will. He's another American backed up war risking trade and inflation disruptions across Europe even though Europeans are massively more Pro-Palestine than Americans but nope, let's not make the USA look the only bad guy in the room here, that's gotta be good for us. To suggest Biden has any leverage over Israel 100 days into this war is a joke. 

And no, I don't like Biden and loathe Trump, I loathe both. Look how domesticated the left is, "I don't like genocide Joe", you shouldn't be treating a murderous maniac with kids gloves if you actually want progressives to win elections, choose your words more carefully. 

I didn't say people were suddenly talking about Biden's age, I said it was odd to worry about him dying suddenly before the election alongside saying Biden looks like he could die at any minute and that he has more chance of dying than Trump, Lol. There's really not much difference between 77 - 81 from an age standpoint so they're both probably equally as likely to die as each other but that doesn't tell us the full picture, a whole host of health questions that need answering and thus it's hard to say which is more likely to die than the other, nor do I believe either candidate looks like they could die at any minute, as unfortunate as I find that for one of them, they both appear relatively well both physically and mentally still for their age.

Also...Dementia? Where is that coming from aside from conspiracy theories? Often Biden's "cognitive decline" in the past was also insultingly mistaken for his stammer condition too, I say insultingly because I have a family member with a stammer. These exact concerns were thrown at Biden last election and he still beat Trump in debates. Yes he has his gaffes but too often at these gaffes in the past been labelled as "cognitive decline" when it was his stammer. As for Bernie, the man had a heart attack, I'm not sure I'd call him more physically robust than either Biden or Trump.

I am a big fan of Bernie but I do believe Biden is more electable in America, I don't think Bernie was unelectable because the DNC told me so, I think he was unelectable because I think America is still largely centrist based on what I've seen over the years, I especially think America leans on the right still in regards to economic policies. Americans constantly label Europe as a socialist hell even when almost all of them aren't socialist and many of them are led by right wing politics, Lmao. It's as if anything slightly to the left in America is labelled as socialist which is often confused with communism. I am happy to see more left wing politicians run for Presidency so that these ideas can be further put into Americans minds, explained better to hopefully push them further to the left but I don't believe any can win at this moment.

Nobody is telling you to not demand change from Biden's administration.

What I said about Trump in regards to Palestine is that at minimum he would be equally as bad as Biden but also add on Ukraine being thrown under the bus, America's democracy being further eroded, minorities in America being screwed over, the relationship between America and Europe souring again and NATO being at risk once again. I don't know how it's insulting to say that Trump would be as bad as Biden for Palestinians either. Trump is the same dude who abandoned our Kurdish allies, who constantly expresses xenophobia and bigotry, especially towards Muslims, who has proposed a ban on Muslims entering America in the past, 99% of the Gaza Strip is Summi Muslims.

Trump has also been very friendly with Netanyahu in the past and it only soured when Netanyahu recognised Biden as the winner, Lol. Trump has also said in the past that he would reject refugees from Gaza entering the USA, called for ideological screenings for those entering the country. Released a Middle East peace plan which pissed off Palestinian leaders and largely aligned with what Netanyahu wanted. He says the current conflict has to play out but his criticism to Israel goes as far as him saying they have to do a better job in "PR", in 2018 he proposed withdrawing all aid to Palestinians (around $200m).

Just the other day, every Republican in the US Senate voted to limit assistance to Palestine, every Democrat voted against it except Manchin. So I'm sorry if it's insulting but it's the truth that Trump and Republicans would be equally as bad for Palestinians as Biden and have a strong potential to be even worse.

I also agree that America has no leverage over Israel, I didn't really want to say it but while I think America should stop supporting Israel, condemn them and join the calls for a ceasefire, I don't think it will change much, Netanyahu will still continue his attack and people are underestimating how powerful and large Israel's military is, that's not to say America shouldn't do those things above but I am under no illusion it will save Gaza. Israel is one of the most powerful militaries in the world versus a tiny strip of land with a population of 2m which is also one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

It's partly why it's depressing to follow because I don't see any way that Gaza comes out of this with a good deal.

Biden I was fine with up until his support of Israel but I can recognise that the other option is still far worse for almost the entire world and will change nothing for the Palestinians at the same time so nobody wins from a Trump win, thus I hope Biden wins but people can continue to criticise him for Israel, I never said nobody could do that, but Biden will be the nominee and it makes sense for him, the incumbent, to be the nominee at this moment in time. In the election after, I predict it will be Gavin Newsom and people can criticise him for things too, but for now it's not a competition, the Republican options are far, far worse than the Democrat options.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 19 January 2024