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SvennoJ on 28 December 2023
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zeldaring said:
LurkerJ said:

I think most of us here admit the west have irreversibly damaged the Middle East and immortalised vicious monarchs who have done to Yemen what Israel is doing to Palestine now.

Unfortunately, the bias reporting by the mainstream media have left many people from both sides of the aisle with too much willingness to give Putin the benefit of the doubt like what's happening with you, which is an absolute shame because you seem to want to learn more and happy to acknowledge good points when they're made by others and not some sort of unreasonable bigot. Sadly, the biased pro ultra far right Netanyahu policies (and the biased reporting on those policies) continues and the only people served by this bias is evil like Putin & Netanyahu, not the west, so why are the lessons are not learnt is beyond me (have I mentioned the west is that big of a joke).

I think you need to start watching more people-powered medias that have been suggested by SvennoJ, me and others to get a more balanced views on the matter. The Young Turks, Secular talk, Breaking Points, Briahna Joy Gray (Bad Faith & Rising), Novara Media are all left leaning commentators that have dedicated equal time to criticising all savages and imperialists. 

You don't have to live in a "either.. or" state of mind when you can simply criticise and disown both.

I do watch some of those and they really make the war in Gaza seem much worse and make it seem like Netanyahu is way more evil and especially with the civilians death rates, especially children. Plus  isreal  made its intent way more clear then Russia of committing a genocide or ethnically placing the Palestinians, and apparently the has supplied israel with 500 dumb bombs that weigh 2000 pounds while saying please take Carre of civilians which is a face for the media.

Maybe it's the other media, especially mainstream media, that make it seem much less worse than what's really going on. There are no western reporters in Gaza, the only times they get in is embedded with the IDF, the IDF having editorial control over what they can take out... Over 100 Journalists have died already in the current Gaza war https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/dearborn-community-members-hold-candlelight-vigil-in-honor-of-journalists-killed-in-gaza/ more than ever recorded in any other conflict.

Western media is largely ignoring what's going on in the West Bank, which has been going on before October 7th at a lower rate. All the humanitarian organizations have rung the alarm bell over how bad the situation is. Gaza is under siege, has always been yet since October 7th completely cut off. No water, no electricity, no fuel, no food. While the army destroys all civilian infrastructure including farmland making the territory uninhabitable.

The civilian death toll is 'merely' collateral damage while the systematic destruction of Gaza carries on.

That while we're likely not aware of the worst that goes on, the ones that can't get a social media post out as a cry for help. Israel has also continuously targeted communication infrastructure. The internet would be completely off if it weren't for US pressure to at least have basic communications. Yet just recently Israel bombed the Palestinian Red Crescent https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-red-crescent-says-one-killed-many-wounded-by-israeli-gunfire-gaza-2023-11-10/ damaging their VHF antenna further complicating rescue efforts. Rescue efforts that are continually thwarted by targeting ambulances, obstructing ambulance and digging up roads.


Now Russia is using the same 'tactics' in the Ukraine. Destruction of infrastructure, flattening entire cities, systematically driving the people out and killing those that stay behind. Putin and Netanyahu want the same thing, they need a 'win' to stay in power, and they both see that 'win' in dehumanizing 'undesirables', blaming them for everything, putting their propaganda machines at full speed to get support to carry out their genocides. Putin to 'make Russia great again', Netanyahu to make Israel safe. (from starving children)

The US is giving Israel the green light to continue genocide, Russia is doing it on its own... Consider this maybe
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).

Ms Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova, born on 25 October 1984, Commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Office of the  President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Ms Lvova-Belova bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute).

Pre-Trial Chamber II considered, based on the Prosecution’s applications of 22 February 2023, that there are reasonable grounds to believe that each suspect bears responsibility for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population and that of unlawful transfer of population from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, in prejudice of Ukrainian children.