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zeldaring said:

Ryuu96 said:

Russia themselves don't even believe that America was going to attack them, c'mon now. It's straight up Russian propaganda fed to the domestic audience, Lol. Russia contradicts itself time and time again on the reasons (which they've gave over a dozen different ones) why they invaded Ukraine. It has ranged from "Ukraine has Nazis" to "Ukraine was going to attack us first" to "Ukraine was about to join NATO" to "Ukraine was making nukes and/or biological weapons" to "Ukraine doesn't technically exist/we never legally gave Ukraine up, therefore it's ours"

Russia has a long history of brutality, from allying themselves with Nazi Germany (until it no longer benefited them) to Soviet-Afghan War to the First Chechen War, to the Second Chechen, to illegally and forcefully stealing Crimea from Ukraine, to the horrific shit which Russia does in Syria in aid of Assad and the horrific shit which Wagner gets up to in African countries with Russia's full backing. To aiding, encouraging separatists in Abkhazia, South Ossetia to breakaway from Georgia and Transnistria to breakaway from Moldova with the aid of Russia to eventually invading the whole of Ukraine and trying to genocide them.

We even had Russian military officers with writing on their graves stating they were involved in the Donbas war...Despite Russia claiming to not be involved but now Russia doesn't seem to care about keeping that lie up. They cause a little bit of infighting in a country and then when the Russian backed group ask for "help" Russia sends in the "help" and pretends to be "peacemaker" until Russia eventually decides it wants to rest of the land, as it did with Chechnya, Ukraine and as it will do with Georgia and Moldova next if they defeat Ukraine.

The USA does not control NATO, once again we're seeing American arrogance on display, America cannot even convince NATO countries to help them out in the Red Sea. Consistently does European countries go against America's wishes because we're all independent countries at the end of the day with our own thoughts. It was Germany (and I think a couple others) who was blocking Ukraine from being able to join NATO in the first place and once again, Ukraine was absolutely NOWHERE near to joining NATO, it's a process which takes years.

Every single country in NATO has to approve Ukraine joining as well, it only takes one no out of 31 to block Ukraine from being able to join, that is 31 countries with equal say as each other and at the end of the day, nobody was letting Ukraine join as long as they were in an active conflict, a conflict which was created thanks to Russia.

Yea if that's the case then russia is a POS. I just don't trust the US look at what did they did to iraq they bombed air ports and residential buildings something that russia hasn't done nearly as much despite facing a much stronger military the only thing is i see the US as worse the russia from MY POV. So that the only reason i question things.

I try to be sensitive about these things when I recognise what the West has done to the Middle-East and there is no justification there and people from those regions have all the right to be angry and upset at America but that doesn't justify turning a blind eye or excusing a country which is currently committing horrific acts as well. If someone makes excuses for a country like Russia then they're no different to supporters of America's horrific acts in the past.

And while Ukraine is much stronger than Iraq (Maybe?) they were on paper massively weaker than Russia in terms of military equipment, Ukraine had a small and outdated air-force and a practically non-existent Navy, their land equipment was largely outdated, it made sense why some military experts thought Ukraine would fall quickly but what they underestimated was Ukraine's drive and determination to fight back, the spirit and strength of Ukraine's soldiers, Ukraine had to prove itself over and over again against a much stronger adversary before the West started getting serious about equipping Ukraine with better stuff.

It took months for the West to approve sending modern MBTs, likewise it took months to approve sending long-range missiles and it took over a year to approve sending modern jets to Ukraine. The reason Russia hasn't totally levelled Ukraine yet is not because they don't want to, it has been a combination of Ukraine's spirit, tenacity and resistance in fighting back against a much larger adversary and Russia simply utterly fucking up tactically multiple times and still using zerg rush-like tactics like they're still in WW1.

But this is what Russia did to Chechnya.