| zeldaring said: I mean just look at the numbers, in 2 years in the Ukraine war 10k civilians killed vs 20k killed in 2 months keep in mind Ukraine army is actually powerful and being backed by the US while hamas is a bunch of guys with rpg's and AK's. keep in mind the reason for the war with Ukraine vs russia was easily avoidable. Russia has been telling Ukraine to Not sign with nato for 20 years cause putting nato on the borders of russia would be a huge threat, now compare that to israel hamas war which is just Israel wanting to expel Palestinians from there land and give them no rights. |
It's a very different situation. Russia is more adept at killing its own conscripts, fighting with WW2 material and tactics.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukraine-1.7053035
Hundreds of thousands wounded and dead in Ukraine as war grinds on, intelligence suggests
U.K. Ministry of Defence estimates around 320,000 Russian casualties
A Ukrainian civic group said it has confirmed 24,500 combat and non-combat deaths using open sources. But if many of the 15,000 troops listed as missing are also dead, the figure could be much higher, according to a report published in the Ukrainian journal Tyzhden.
"Obviously, the 24,500 names are not the final number of dead (deceased), but by our assessment it is no less than 70 per cent," the authors wrote. "That is, the real number of dead (deceased) in combat and non-combat situations is more than 30,000 people."
Ukraine is a huge country and people can actually flee to safe places behind enemy lines hence a much lower Civilian death toll percentage wise.
An ongoing refugee crisis began in Europe in late February 2022 after Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Nearly 6 million refugees fleeing Ukraine are recorded across Europe, while an estimated 8 million others had been displaced within the country by late May 2022.
14 million Ukrainians displaced from Russia's war on top of over 10,000 civilians killed.
Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to leave a legacy of 'making Russia great again'
Back in early 2022:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-friday-edition-1.6381669/putin-will-go-to-extremes-to-cement-his-legacy-warns-finland-s-ex-pm-1.6382022
Right now he has a stated vision of a historic Russia from the 1800s, which means one language, one religion and one leader.
And he's also said that he wants to take over Ukraine, he wants to push back the frontiers of NATO in eastern and central Europe, and he wants to prevent Finnish and Swedish NATO membership.
What we have to understand is that Putin is basically establishing his legacy at the moment. So he sees himself as, you know, [Joseph] Stalin, or Ivan the Terrible, or Peter the Great. He wants to go down in history — and sorry for the term — for making Russia great again.
He saw the 1990s and the collapse of the Soviet Union as a big humiliation, so he'll do everything in his power to make his legacy look good from a Russian perspective, whatever that might mean.
Pushing back NATO is a part as well, but mostly to sell his 'vision' to his military commanders. Putin is a fanatic just like Netanyahu.
And just like Palestine, Ukraine has been fighting for independence for centuries as well. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, Ukraine declared independence in 1991, Ukraine-Soviet war had a brief truce in 1918 and Ukraine originally fell to the Russian Empire in the late 1700's.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ukraines-history-and-its-centuries-long-road-to-independence
The struggle predates NATO by centuries...
