What will be the launch titles for Nintendo's Next Console?

[Shtinamin_]

Soundwave said:

archbrix said:

Odyssey has proven that 3D Mario sales are nothing to sneeze at when it's such a quality title. It's no Mario Kart, but not even a new Pokemon game's sales can touch Kart today. A brand new 3D Mario game that is demonstrative of the new system's capabilities would be a great launch title, and it surely wouldn't be Nintendo's only game for the fall.

Honestly, I'm not sure Switch 2 necessarily needs Mario Kart on launch day. I can only imagine the level of shortages we'll see for Switch 2's first holiday. Having your alpha title come out when the system is at its most difficult to find could prove to be less effective than launching it several months later when the install base has grown a bit, the system is more readily obtainable and the anticipation has grown even more.

Nintendo should be careful, the economy is a problem these days, people are not buying luxury goods as much it seems like, at least it seems like game consoles are bearing the brunt of some of that. It doesn't look to me like Sony is going to hit their forecast of 25 million PS5s unless they overship and stuff their retail channels and that's with a new PS5 Slim model this fall and exclusive Spider-Man 2, XBox sales have collapsed, Switch sales are declining. It looks like things like iPhone sales have declined year over year too. That inflation + sky high interest rates are making people ask if they really need a new iPhone, game console, etc. etc. this year I think. 

Better safe than sorry. 

A Mario Kart game shouldn't need 4-5 years of development and there's no excuse for Nintendo to not have been developing it for about 3 years now. What possibly project would be something that should be a bigger priority than Mario Kart? 

Especially if the system is $400, you better err on the side of caution and have as good of a launch as you can. I would want both Mario Kart + 3D Mario in the first 4-5 months if I'm Furukawa. Don't fuck around and screw this up by being loosey goosey, that's the attitude that got Nintendo into a world of trouble with the 3DS and Wii U launches. 

There should be an intense fire in Nintendo's belly to prove they can follow up a successful system because they failed miserably with the Wii U and 3DS launch years. They have a lot to prove, don't be stupid and assume anything is in the bag for you, take nothing for granted. It's going to be difficult to repeat the success of the Switch. 

I agree, Nintendo does need to be careful. People are being cautious with their purchases and the economy (at least in America, I can't speak for everywhere else) is taking hit after hit.
Nintendo needs to have only fire games, and they need to hit hot and heavy at launch. Nintendo's best selling point to the consoles are their 1st party Nintendo published games. The better the game the more people are willing to fork over the money.

archbrix said:

Shtinamin_ said:

Where is the information regarding DK game? Is it the opening of Donkey Kong Country in Universal Studios Japan?
We could be hit with a DKC4 for Switch and a 3D DK for the NG, same year.

I would love for that to be the case.

Details about a new DK game differ depending on who you listen to.  One rumor suggests that Activision was developing a 3D DK game that was eventually scrapped by Nintendo and pulled back to EPD Tokyo for development.  Others say that the game is actually 2D, or at least 2.5D.  So who really knows.  One thing is for sure though:  Nintendo would be foolish not to have a full DK game of some kind next year.

It would be foolish because:
DK was a prominent character in the Super Mario Bros. Movie
DK Country opens in Super Nintendo World at Universal Studios Japan in 2024
And the DK game (not including Mario vs DK) was in 2014, I dont think it takes 10 years to make a game (it usually 4-6 years).

IcaroRibeiro said:

HyrulianScrolls said:

Regarding Pokemon, it was VERY clear gf had no ability to develop for a console like Switch in such short dev times this gen. Add a far more powerful hardware into the mix when they still don’t even know how to develop for home consoles circa 2008, and it will be a disaster if they don’t take their time with the next game (gen X). I think Nintendo is well aware of this now as well and won’t let them pump out broken garbage for the next Switch either.

S/Vs sales were extremely concerning in how massive it opened and then cliff dived. The reception definitely hurt. A game like that launching on a console with a mere fraction of the install base S/V launched on could be an outright disaster for the franchise. Nintendo’s not gonna let it happen. Why I say 2027 for Gen X and in the meantime we get Gen V remakes along the way by a different dev

Pokemon sales cliff diving is not something new. Pokemon Sun and Moon shipped 10 million in one day, to sell 16 million lifetime. Pokemon games quality has been whack for many generations now and Nintendo has never done anything. Why will they do it now? 

Maybe we won't be seeing a Pokémon game on the new console unitl Gen 11, usually when Nintendo launches a new console, The Pokémon Company still debuts the next gen on the old console
Black 2/ White 2 released in Jun 2012 on the DS, while the 3DS released in Feb 2011.
Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon released in Nov 2017 on the 3DS, while the Switch released in Mar 2017.

So if the new console releases in Sept 2024 we should expect to see the next game Mar 2025 on the Switch.

agreed, their quality has been whack, hopefully that COO address is true (they said they would consider spending more time developing)

Kai_Mao said:

I don’t understand sales expectations for Pokémon S/V. I think the sales are fine. I don’t think even Nintendo were expecting 35+ million LTD for those games. I’m sure they would’ve liked it, !75 doubt that they’re complaining about S/V already being close to the 3rd best selling games in the main series, if not already.

Anyway, I’m kinda more interested in what third party titles will be at launch for a potential Switch 2. I would like to see games like Street Fighter VI, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Elden Ring, Sekiro, modern Resident Evil, Tales of Arise, etc. come to Switch 2. Just not sure which ones will actually be launch titles or titles that will come to the platform at all. RDR2, Mass Effect trilogy, and even Cyberpunk 2077 are also potential games.

Some 3rd Party for Launch year of 2024 will be:
Call of Duty

And speculated could be:
Street Fighter VI
Resident Evil IV remake
MH Wilds
Rune Factory 6
Daemon X Machina Titanic Scion
And maybe a couple of collections/remakes.

With the rumored specs of the NG, and around 11 developers in possession of the dev kit (and one in a Spain located studio), I'd say they are trying to play with Playstation and compete game-wise with them (very optimistic).

Pajderman said:

I do not think we will get a new Mario Kart at launch. The team have created a lot of new tracks added to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, almost a full new game worth.

And why does people still act like Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit does not exist?
It might not be the game people wanted but it did take development time. Even with the rerelease of Mario Kart 8 Nintendo have spent plenty of time on the franchise this gen. A new game in the franchise is not ready by default. They would have needed a second team working on it in parallelly to the one creating the new courses for Mario kart 8 DLC.

I have never viewed Mario Kart as a system seller even if it often sits at the top of the selling charts. The broad appeal of the game make it the game to also get beside the game one bought the system for. Even if the primary game is Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing or Metroid - might as well get Mario Kart also for some party fun. It is always a fun time but not really a new experience that I think early adopters look for.

I'm probably wrong, but that's my take.

Nintendo had Mario Kart: Tour and Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit both releasing after Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (I don't think Tour is considered as Mario Kart 9 since Tour tracks are in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe + DLC). So I consider Mario Kart: Live as Mario Kart 9.
Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit took three years to develop. From 2017-2020 was time spent on Mario Kart Live. (I dont know how long it took to develop Mario Kart Tour) 2019-2023 was time spent on Mario Kart: Tour. EPD9, the department in charge of Mario Kart franchise, have been a bit busy.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe took 1 year (and 2 years for Mart Kart 8) to develop with ~2 years for the DLC waves. 2016-2017 & 2022-2023. 

Sorry that was a lot of bumbling. I just wanted to understand what EPD 9 has been working on for the Switch to get an idea how long they could be working on a new addition to the series. So from 2020 they been "free", and sending a very small team to focus on Tour, and a slightly bigger team (though a new team) for the DLC waves. I say a new team because the quality of wave 1 was really lackluster, and with every new wave the quality was getting better and more impressive, and shows that that team was learning and growing from their experience.
So for 3 years they have been working on the new Mario Kart, and are now (as of Nov) all hands on deck.
4 year development time seems reasonable, but I think they will want to spend 5 years to perfect, tweak, and make it visibly awe-(and jaw)-dropping.