The Road to 160m+ for Nintendo Switch

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XtremeBG said:

Shtinamin_ said:

Perdón, yes the PSP sold for 7 years and 5 days (Its 8th year, 5 days into it). PSP sold worldwide in Dec 12th 2004 with the PS Vita selling worldwide in Dec 17th 2011. Does that still make the whole argument invalid?

Yes those are all the times of discontinuation.
WiiU sold a measely 1 units in 2023, I gotta give it to little guy for holding out so long :)
I was specifying that consoles sell past their discontinuation notice, consoles sell past the release of their successor. The Switch is pushing the boundaries for Nintendo on what a console can do, and they will continue to do so.

Im not counting the Wii Mini for there weren't any reliable places to quote, nor was it included in Nintendo's reports.
The Wii sold from Nov 19, 2006 and stopped selling until March 2016
160427e.pdf (nintendo.co.jp)

(I may have been using wrong lingo so i'll try to use better wording)
Thats 10 years (more specifically, 9 years and 4 months, which is its 10th year).
The Wii had a lifespan of 9 years and 4 months, its 10th year.
If we include the fact that no units were shipped in Jan-Mar '16, then the Wii lifespan was 9 years 1 month and 12 days (still in its 10th year)

The Wii ended production in Oct 24th 2013, its life cycle is 6 years and 11 moths (its 7th year). If we include the RVL-101 (non-compatible with GCN) that was discontinued on May 2014, its life cycle is now 7 years and 6 months (its 8th year).

You can say it sold for X years, when those years are full, not 7 years and 5 days = 8 years.

7 years and days or even months are still 7 years. If you have 7 years and 10/11 months then we can rounded it out to 8 Years yes, it's close enough, however for just 5 days past it's 7th year to say 8 years is just wrong.

Same goes for the 10 years of the Wii. From Nov 2006 to march 2016 those are 9 years and 4 months, far far long of 10 years. It is way more closer to 9 years than it is to 10. So you can't call 10 years of 9 years and 4 months when the argument was specifically for how many years is the trend of the consoles.

Is that making the argument invalid ? I forget about it in the first place .. What was again about ? Longevity of the consoles ? every console reaching 100M is selling for 10 years ? No, in one of my others posts I have you 4 or 5 examples of consoles selling 10 years (or almost 10) that were far from 100M. There is no correlation between the two other than the coincidence chance which is big, for a successful system to have both good sales and long life.

Different boundaries has been pushed by every 2nd system. (Different types of boundaries of course) It's not something new. Congrats for Switch. The only boundaries I see pushing is something mixed between the Sprint of DS and the marathon of the PS2. Trying to have fast huge sales like DS, and trying to continue to sell like PS2. Guess what. It fell short of both. It won't reach PS2, and it didn't reached the sprint of DS's sales. Lifetime sales of both systems won't be reached either by the System, unless Pricecut of 100$ happens or Switch successor got delayed to 2025, which I don't see hapenning.

About the original argument, the guy is right. Switch is not reaching 8 full years on the market before the successor comes. It is coming before March 2025 (Switch's 8 year anniversary). (8 years or 96 months, not 7 years and 5 days, like you are counting them)

This is at least how I see it, a console first comes out on lets say march 3rd 2017. It is going through its 1st year of selling. Once it reaches March 3rd 2018 it has completed its 1st year and is now starting to sell for the 2nd year. If it sells to March 4th 2018 and stops production, then its 2nd year was only one day. Was it a successful year, no. But its 2nd year was a day of selling, because that one day is a difference between 1 year and 2 years.
So in regards to Switch successor coming before March 2025, it will arrive in the 8th year of selling (because the 7th year was completed in march 2024).
I hope i made my thought process make some sense. (thats why i also added in the exact times in my post before so people can see)

Every Nintendo console has been pushing what new can be done. The Switch is trying to innovate on many aspects (hybrid, controllers, and more like you mentioned).
Every Playstation console pushes how good of an experience can be achieved. (I think)
Every Microsoft console pushes how many users can we achieve (Subscriptions)

I still hold out hope Nintendo can make the push for +160M.

This was the argument
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Garrus said:

Nintendo always makes the same mistakes. They hold on too long to their platforms. They should have had the Switch 2 out this holiday season, it would have been 6.5 years old, more than long enough. Not surprisingly the sales will have collapsed by the time the 8th year of sales starts in March.

Garrus states that Nintendo always makes the same mistake, which isnt true. They sell their platforms for as long as they deem is economically in favor of them.
And I was supporting the other side of the argument with information on other consoles on how long they've been produced, and sold for.

I never debated about the sales collapsing in the 8th year, because I don't know what they'll do and can't confirm nor deny that opinion.