| LurkerJ said: I agree that letting Russia win is a major blunder, but so do all of my mates who are a mix of right/left leaning people. I would be surprised if European elections would swing either way because of this single issue, we seem to be largely on the same page; Russia must not win. It's our politicians who keep blaming Russia for the cost of living crisis, but no one I know is fooled by this and no one is blaming Ukrainians for anything. I think the major weakness of Western democracy has been that politicians are openly representing everyone's interests but their own people. Corporate puppets, voted in by the people and paid by corporations, including the weapons industry. |
The biggest troublemakers in regard to Ukraine seem to be the ones that have quite clearly spoken against supporting Ukraine, and people have voted for them despite that - or because of it.
| LurkerJ said: Unless I am so out of loop with recent polls and European media coverage? Obviously, the USA is a separate case study, but it's unfortunate that ultimately, they'll be the one to decide how long Ukraine will be supported for. |
Well, I'm definitely out of the loop for the most part, but I do catch some of the more important developments. I'm more familiar with the political situation in my own country, but we have a strong consensus about supporting Ukraine. I guess neighbouring Russia with a long border is eye-opening, compared to what it looks like when you have several countries to act as a buffer. There are many countries in Europe that aren't directly threatened by Russia in at least 10-15 years, even in the worst case.
| LurkerJ said: I generally agree with your message, but voters are blamed for everything even when they vote in the "correct" candidate while their living standards fall year after year. |
I'm not interested in going very deep into this discussion, but I'm arriving at the conclusion that a very large portion of voters simply are dumb, selfish, over-confident, and driven by emotions (despite often thinking otherwise). I'm not sure how well it relates to whether the voters are getting what they vote for, but my hunch is that in many cases they really are getting what they vote for, but they probably don't realize it's not what they really want, because many things are actually quite complex.
