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Fight-the-Streets on 23 November 2023
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ShadowLink93 said:

I can't see how people think the PS2 is at 161 million, i think 158 to 159 million is almost certain and this is because of the PS3 numbers that were combined with PS2.

FY Mar 2012: PS2 total - 155.0m, PS3 total - 63.9m
FY Mar 2013: PS2 + PS3 - 16.5m for the FY, PS2 production ended
FY Mar 2014: PS3 - 7.0 million
FY Mar 2015 : PS3 - 3.1 million
FY Mar 2016: PS3 - ???, PS3 production ends in Europe
FY Mar 2017; PS3 - ???, PS3 production ended in October for NA and March in Japan.

So PS3 is at 74.0 million from known yearly shipments which means it needs 13.4million from 3 FY's missing and FY16 and FY17 were very low due to production ending and the PS3 not even being mentioned in Sony's yearly reports. If PS2 shipped 161 million then that means PS3 only shipped 10.5 million in FY13 and 2.9 million for FY16 & 17 combined. Shipments of 2.9 million for PS3's final two FY's is far too high. I think PS3 shipped 12.8 million in FY13, 500k in FY 16 and 100k in FY17 for it's known total of 87.4 million, this means 3.7 million for PS2's final year and 158.7 million total.

I think the crucial calculation part is from ZhugeEX:

In the fiscal year ending March 2013 a total of 16.5 million PS3&PS2 units were shipped. PS2 was still being shipped during this period so the info we're missing is how many units were PS2 and how many were PS3. Using PS3's 80m sell in announcements as a guide you can work backwards and ultimately work out that PS2 must have been close to 4m.

It's those 80mil PS3's shipped by November 2, 2013 (link of announcement: https://web.archive.org/web/20140210005326/http://scei.co.jp/corporate/release/131106_e.html) were you can start the calculation backwards as Sony stopped shipping PS2 from April 1, 2013 onwards. I'm not good at math but ZhugeEX and others on Resetera did the calculation and came to the conclusion that the range must definitely be between 159.2 and 161.9mil. Personally, I think 159.2mil is spot on. You can have fun with numbers, taking the above 80mil PS3's and calculate with official numbers from Sony's historical data: https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/historical/

Anyway, I think right now we are still too early in Switch's lifecycle for starting to count peanuts.

Last edited by Fight-the-Streets - on 24 November 2023