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[Ryuu96]

SvennoJ said:

Ryuu96 said:

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It's the double standards I'm accusing the West off. Jump to the aid of Ukraine, which is the right thing to do. But then not even willing to acknowledge the suffering caused in Gaza (and also the West Bank) for as long as I can remember, now doubting the casualty figures, downplaying the damage caused and standing blindly behind Israel. That is the problem. You have it right, "Russia does equally as terrible things to Ukrainians as IDF does to Palestinians" yet instead of sanctions and demanding / working towards a ceasefire, the US keeps sending aid and weapons to Israel, while blocking the UN to do anything by arguing over what language to use and making sure Israel stays protected from their neighboring countries so they can't intervene either.

And yes the Russia-Ukraine situation should have been finished by now with UN peace keeping forces in place. Instead aid and mostly old weapons keep trickling towards the Ukraine, keeping the conflict going. And now the US is postponing aid to the Ukraine to get 14.5 billion send to Israel asap. https://apnews.com/article/house-israel-aid-ukraine-republicans-biden-gaza-b7bfe528b12ac5954cfd5c034f11320d Biden might still veto it though, not to scrap the aid to Israel but to get the full aid package back including Ukraine.

Yes support Ukraine, that has gone on too long. Netanyahu and the IDF should be charged as war criminals, as well as the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and Mohammed Deif (leadership of Hamas military if Google is correct, had to look it up). The latter is not in debate though, yet for some reason the IDF gets turned a blind eye and only has to say, Hamas is hiding in hospitals and schools and apparently fuel their rockets with diesel and electricity etc.

I don't know what the way out is either. I do know that the Arab world will not trust the West again for decades to come. This war has far reaching implications for world safety, stoking up antisemitism as well as Islamophobia. Going back to the 1967 Oslo accords seems to be impossible with how much land Israel has grabbed since then. Yet a 2 state solution simply isn't viable anymore with how little fragmented land is left for the millions of Palestinians to live on.

It's a mess

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Gotcha. Agreed there are double standards, many in the West have long been afraid of criticising Israel's government. Doubt we'll ever sanction Israel let along organise a ceasefire to get civilians out. Israel is also a very powerful country and seem determined to turn Gaza to dust. I do think it's right that we're making sure other countries don't get involved though, we definitely don't want this to spiral into a war between multiple countries, another Six-Day-War in 2023 would be a disaster for everyone involved.

My issue was mostly the Europe comment which I wanted further clarification on. Having said that, I don't believe UN peace keeping forces could do anything, the UN is useless even at the best of times. Russia won't surrender the territory they've stolen and Ukraine understandably won't let them have it. UN peace keeping forces will simply be killed as the conflict rages on and the West does not want war with Russia. The best thing we can do is keep giving Ukraine aid and weapons but we need to significantly step things up and end this war quicker.

As for Israel/Gaza, as I said, I don't know the solution, it's frustrating, it has been a conflict since before I was born. There is a ton of bad blood between the two, nobody has a solution which satisfies them both, nobody is willing to step down, Hamas and IDF are equally as terrible as each other. I'm also frustrated that we aid Israel and Israel is allowed to use our weapons however they want while Ukraine has to follow dozens of rules (some I agree with, some I don't) but Israel can just go bombing civilians and nobody will care.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 November 2023