Pemalite said:
SvennoJ said:
Digital killed the research into HVD :/ The Holographic Versatile Disc is an optical disc technology that was expected to store up to several terabytes of data on an optical disc 10 cm or 12 cm in diameter. Its development commenced in April 2004, but it never arrived due to lack of funding. The company responsible for HVD went bankrupt in 2010. Wikipedia Capacity: 3.9 TB
Sony opted for a higher density blu-ray instead, only doubling its capacity.
https://www.tech-faq.com/hvd.html
Killed by non forward thinking, need cheap solution now. So we're stuck with big HDD banks. WD is up to 22TB now but only up to 265 MB/s transfer speed. Which is still a lot more than the backup drives I use. Last time I made a carbon copy of my 1.4TB backup took almost 24 hours :/
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I bought a pair of 20Tb HDD's for my Xbox Series X.
Unfortunately the console will only detect 16Tb drives, even partitioning the drives into 10Tb sections didn't trick the console... So those drives ended up on my PC and I ended up buying a pair of 16TB drives instead.
Consoles just lack the flexibility.
I am able to easily maintain 250MB/s transferring over to the internal SSD, which means for your average game it will take 5 minutes to transfer over... Which is far more preferable than installing+updating which can take several hours... Especially with some updates being 50-100GB.
As for optical disks... I guess they could work with compression and multiple-disks, but pigs would fly before then, these days.
IcaroRibeiro said:
Digital is the best way to preserve games
The servers going down is a non issue the source code and files still exist. As long the company wants to keep selling them, they will sell them and if the company is over they can make the game available to download for free. And if they still refuse? Don't worry the fans will upload it themselves for free ;)
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You need to mod your device to enable 'homebrew' and illegal pirating to preserve your digital library.
IcaroRibeiro said:
To preserve physical games it's required tovkeep producing physical copies forever and keep them in stores, this is literally impossible
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Once they stop selling physical, you can buy a second-hand copy, you can't do that with digital.
IcaroRibeiro said:
Do you know what are the only games are lost in my life? They are not digital, they are my PS2 and DS collections because I no longer have the hardware to play them. They are not available. The discs and cards are literally useless. You can argue I can get an overpriced 3DS, but for how long? (Lack of) Avaibality for older consoles is much more common than finding some old game on Steam and seeing them being removed from stores |
Again. Second hand.
The DS and even more so with the 3DS... They are fairly unique gaming platforms having multiple displays, one involving touch which means it's difficult/unappealing to emulate those games on other platforms.
Unfortunately the digital stores no longer exist for those platforms, which means second hand physical is your best choice.
IcaroRibeiro said:
Because of digital I can listen to albums and watch movies that I otherwise would never be able to listen or watch because they used to sell so little the company never bothered to keep producing them. This is true preservation.
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Or... I can drop in a movie disc from the 1990's without having to stress about expired digital licences and having that movie removed from a streaming service indefinitely.
For example... StarGate SG-1 is one of my favorite TV shows, Amazon has "upscaled" the original DVD which means characters have a paste-y look to their skin which just doesn't look right... Some of the episodes were also messed up and in the wrong order... And they have removed the series from the streaming service a few times due to rights issues.
Physical media is true preservation, not whatever excuse you are making.
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Buying second hand is literally the opposite of preservation. It means someone needs to given up their copy to other people to get the copy. With time those copies will suffer malfunction and will literally dissappear. Worse, being tied to specific hardware to will be unplayable regardless of how many time the copies endure
Preservation = How the game can be available for posteriority
Physical needs the game, album or movie to be extremely popular to be truly "preserved" i.e. have enough printing to exist in second hand market for decades. There are countless movies and albums I was only able to listen and watch thanks to digital.
I think you misunderstood what I meant about losing my DS and PS2 libraries. The physical copies still exists, but they are literally unplayable because there is no functional hardware to play them. I can only play some PS2 games that I have bought again on Switch or PS4. Again, digitally
