Mario v Link. SMB Wonder v TotK

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Bofferbrauer2 said:

RolStoppable said:

If it were about 2D, then there were also two Super Mario Maker games in the past decade. REAL means REAL.

So why don't you consider SMO a real Mario title?

I can understand for the Mario maker titles, as they are more kits to make levels yourself than an actual complete game, but I'm a bit puzzled about SMO.

Because SMO is not a main series Mario game. Nintendo calls it "Super Mario", but Mario doesn't even turn Super in it.

Slownenberg said:

I'm confused by what you consider to be a "real" Mario game haha, cuz ya know Odyssey came out 7 years ago. 7 years is not over a decade. If you're talking about classic 2D Mario then sure.

Also I don't see what this has to do with NSMBWii and Galaxy. Galaxy sold 12 million, TotK passed that in probably less than two weeks. So not exactly a good comparison. TotK is wayyyyyyyy bigger than Galaxy was. And we don't know much of anything about Wonder yet so there's no way to know if it'll be as big as NSMBWii was.

Yes Wonder is going to be huge. But its a stretch to say its gonna be open-world-Zelda huge. We just don't know enough right now. If Wonder turns out to be an absurdly good critically acclaimed game that becomes THE game to get that everyone is talking about then it has a chance at beating TotK. If it's just a good Mario game then it'll hit 20m and probably 25m but unlikely to put up TotK numbers. One thing I'll say is it probably won't have epically long legs. If it has any chance at beating TotK lifetime it's gonna have to not only pass TotK in sales but pass it probably by a few million by the time Wonder hits 1 year old because once next gen starts people are still gonna be picking up TotK to play for years but probably much fewer people are gonna be picking up last gen 2D Mario, especially when a new 3D Mario is pretty much guaranteed to launch on day 1 next gen and will likely have a lot more hype than Wonder.

Nah, TotK is the perfect comparison, because people think it's insurmountable.

In a pleasantly surprising turn of events, there was a SMB Wonder Direct today. Now it's a done deal that Mario will reign supreme, because Wonder isn't just NSMB in a new coat. Nintendo put in a lot more effort than that. Doesn't mean it's perfect, but it is a big step up from what they've done after the success of NSMB on the DS in the follow-up games.

I can already tell you that critical acclaim is pointless. The gaming media is heavily biased towards 3D Mario games, so no matter how good Wonder is, the best it can hope for is to get within 5 points of SMO's metascore. But gamers won't care.

Your logic regarding legs is some of the worst I've seen in the last few years. As if a 3D Mario could cut the legs of a REAL Mario game. You are ridiculous. You are like the guys who say that the new Sonic game looks better than the new Mario game. We've had this happening for SMB Wonder (LOL at Sonic Superstars), but it was even more laughable ten years ago when people bashed Super Mario 3D World in comparison to Sonic Lost World. A decade later this comparison appears completely absurd, but it really happened back in the day.

Sidenote: Nintendo announced a special Mario OLED model today. I hope Nintendo is prepared to clear their hardware forecast three months ahead of schedule, because it would be sad if they didn't produce enough consoles for this holiday season.

2023 shall go down in history as the year when Switch lifetime sales were declared to fall short of the DS and PS2, only to ride high momentum into 2024 on the back of the fastest-selling exclusive in video game history (Tears of the Kingdom) that ended up losing its title only six months later.

SMB Wonder's floor on Switch's final software top 10 is third place. The ceiling is second place, because Mario Kart 8 Deluxe can't be caught anymore.

What world do we live in where NSMBU Deluxe, a port of a game with middling reputation, is gunning for 20m lifetime and an all-new REAL Mario game with actual effort put into it is expected to sell the same or maybe just a bit more. Admittedly, yeah, it's a world where Donald J. Trump will run for president again. So perhaps all this is just the normal madness we all have to get used to.