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Runa216 said:

coolbeans said:

It depends on what's defined as essential changes to a games core and the stuff that's cut out.  I guess if you're a hardliner you might say "any slowdown in rift transitions compared to PS5 undeniably alters the state of the game," but I'd think you're just desperate to win an argument at that point.

EDIT:  Just to hammer the point home, remember that the original threshold Insomniac's Marcus Smith hyped up was "...wouldn't be possible without the PS5's SSD..." which carries far greater implications than things wouldn't quite feel the same.  

Do you understand how time works? What may have been true when that was said years ago may not be true now. Not with how technology advances. 

Rift Apart may have only been possible with the PS5's SSD AT THAT TIME, but as we learn more and find newer/better ways to adapt and upgrade, they clearly found a way to make it work (kinda) without the SSD. 

Why does everything have to be malicious with some of you people? It couldn't possibly be that time happened and things changed since then, but no...Sony LIED to you to TRICK you into buying a PS5 because they are a greedy corporation that just wants your money and will manipulate you to get its way! I mean, they are a greedy corporation who wants your money but you don't need to assume malice or dishonesty to also acknowledge that. Gaming discourse can be such a goddamn exhausting endeavour. 

**Edit* To be clear this post is aimed not JUST at you, but everyone out there who is aggressively claiming dishonesty or trying to use this as some sort of weapon against Sony in the console wars of 2023. I can't go anywhere without people claiming Sony LIED about the SSD or what was/was not possible with it and I'm just over here like 'Y'all know time happens, right? Technology gets better and we find new ways to do things that didn't seem possible just a few years ago; there doesn't need to be malice or dishonesty when a simple passage of time and the change that comes with it is a far more likely explanation'

Do you have a built-in reflex to uncharitably read into my comments?  Even if your frustration isn't solely focused on me (noted), I've been WAY less hostile in my responses than this broader group you're bringing up.  Someone makes a claim or counter and I challenge it based on x or y reasons.  Being blunt isn't the same as insane anger.  

Which perfectly segues to your condescending question.  Again, just like with Don's responses, that seems insanely lenient.  I don't buy two Insomniac directors giving me two separate narratives thanks to time.  Hell, a Traveller's Tales founder went about dispelling the "impossible without PS5's SSD" myth by alleging that it was possible on PS3 hardware (albeit nowhere near as gorgeous), so these workarounds have been known for a while.  Acting as though Insomniac just happened upon a tech discovery that disproved their previous claim doesn't hold water.  It's easier to assume Marcus Smith was in hype-cycle mode while advertising his latest game.

Just to be clear, I agree with your annoyance at nastier fanboys who are practically frothing at the mouth and turning this into a 24/7 news item.  That's insanely cringe.  Similarly, I dislike the overly generous interpretation I saw from DonFerrari.  How his OG comment looked to me: "So, Sony and Insomniac were correct and good the whole time... r-r-right, guys?"  Again, I don't get how someone can see Smith's original quote and think the goalpost has remained in the same place.  Further, like I said before, this mud-slinging can be avoided more often if developers don't over-indulge in hype.  It's great that they love this new hardware, but it's better for them to advertise in an more grounded tone and leave spin to corporate.

Last edited by coolbeans - on 27 July 2023