Soundwave said:
Audiences aren't willing to pay $16+ for genres that aren't "big", screenwriters haven't run out of ideas, what audiences expect has changed. Comedies and dramas are having problems. That said Barbie and Oppenheimer are having massive openings, so that shows people are willing to come out but I think there is a hunger to see something that is still an "event" but is not the 7th Mission: Impossible or 10th Fast & Furious or 10th live action Disney remake. Superhero movies are entering a new era where everything post Endgame is going to be up against higher standards. Spider-Verse (really good movie) is doing well but a lot of stuff that maybe would've done well 3-4 years ago like The Flash is not good enough anymore. It's easy to criticize studios also when you have no skin in the game, when you put your own money into a project you probably too will want to play it safe, people need to realize that too. Things change when you're putting $100+ million into any kind of an investment, it's not a crime to want something safer in that sense. |
I agree they haven't run out of ideas, the perception is they have as Hollywood is playing it safe with remakes and the strike kind of makes you wonder if writers pushing for bigger pay checks has pushed them down the remake path.
Looking back at remakes throughout time, I don't think many succeed as nostalgia wins out.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory felt like they turned him into a kiddie fiddler in the remake. Pete's Dragon I am on the fence with as I liked it as a musical and I saw it when I was three and burnt a lasting impression, however the serious take in general for the remake wasn't a great movie. Movies like Total Recall, Point Break, Wicker Man, Ben-Hur, Psycho, The Shining, Ghostbusters remakes was like why bother.
12 Angry Men 50s vs 90s, they both had strong casts for their era ad both delivered in my eyes equally. Only ones I can think of that were better is probably The Mummy (90s one), Dune and IT.
I think the problem is even bigger than paying $16+ for the big genres. I honestly think post COVID a lot of people got used to watching te latest movies streaming at home, and would rather do that then go to the cinema. Also inflation hasn't helped either as even the bigger franchisers are down. The world is also slowly shifting where people prefer to watch TV show over movies too, as you get well more value out of a show even if it's one season as it will be equivalent to 3-5 movies in length and we starting to see Movie stars who thought TV was below them turn to making TV shows. I have always preferred TV shows over movies as you get a more in depth story over years of your life.
Looking at the following link:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/?ref_=bo_nb_tt_tab
Crazy to see only 5 movies hit 500million+ and only one get over the $1bn mark
I agree post end game there has been a shift. Lot of Marvel fans (personal opinion here) I feel are bitching too much about it when I think most the Marvel movies post End Game have been good, so I guess you are right they looking for a new high as End Game was mind blowing. The only one I felt that was weird was the last Thor movie Love and Thunder. It wasn't bad it was just that I think they went too much into comedy mode. Almost every scene felt comical, which I don't mind but it didn't fit the previous movies hence why it was weird and out of place for me.
Now back to the website list for 2023, a lot of those deserved better box office revenue, I am shocked to see them low and it makes you wonder what is the cause. Surely inflation isn't that bad that people are giving up even on the big blockbusters.
Guardian 3 was great, surprised that hasn't cracked 1bn already, it may get there in the end. Probably a better movie then number 2.
Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, was the first one I saw in animation style, as I am one of those stubborn people if a live action was first I don't like animated versions, and if an animation was first I don't like live action versions. I went with a friend who likes them. I will say damn this was great, it was amazing how they managed to combine the various styles so smoothly in the movie. I am now a converted fan and will continue to watch the animated versions. Shameik Moore has also brought Miles to life with his voice acting and that last half hour of the movie was great and how his words basically set the tone for the next movie.
The Flash I agree was also great, finally WB caught up to what Marvel movies have delivered but significantly underperformed, now was that because of the actor's real world dramas or because like you said people want a higher bar or a bit of both.
Creed 3, I know it's a small franchise but wish it it got move popular as they do stand on their own against Rocky.
John Wick 4, was great but another less popular genre. It will probably be one of those franchises that 10-20 years after the final movie will become a cult classic series and more popular.
Mission Impossible, I know its like the 7th, but the last two have been a big improvement over 3-4, plus the success of Maverick, I thought this would do better.
Indy well who knows, the previous movie was just way to out there and this one took so long to come out, has the spark finally died in this franchise?
Dungeons & Dragons highly underrated I wish it did better.
Finally a bit worrying that Titanic 25th Anniversary is doing better then new movies lol.
