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Norion on 17 July 2023
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LurkerJ said:
Norion said:

This is really bad in the UK. You have left wing people here who genuinely argue things like Muslims not having a homophobia problem despite all the evidence to the contrary and it's infuriating seeing a backwards ideology spreading here and people defending it and attacking those who speak out against it.

Yeah, the modern left has few blind spots that don't make sense, this includes the homophobia coming from a certain religion, it also includes not wanting to have nuanced discussions about  the trans community issues, and the refusal to acknowledge or discuss the problems that open unregulated immigration can cause. 

To your point about Islam and its genuine homophobia problem, look at this recent story: 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/19/tory-mayor-resigns-after-apologising-for-attending-lgbtq-event

These crazy stories happen all the time, they're just not covered as widely and they don't lead to much "outrage" so they don't become popular. The Guardian usually ignores them, for example, they wouldn't touch the story of the autistic 14 year old boy who was expelled from school for literally getting the Quran scratched, the story is a national scandal. I don't want to give the right wing media outlets that covered the clicks but you can look it up.

A shame really, all this "avoidance" leads to is that people end up consuming the same stories but from a right wing perspective. This is coming from someone who PAYS monthly subscriptions to leftist independent media outlets (and only leftist channels), but even those independent political commentators/journalists won't touch these stories.

I understand the intent behind this "avoidance" is genuinely born out of the need to be tolerant and respectful, but it's damaging long-term imo. 

Blind spots like that and the increasing amount of hateful rhetoric is a huge turn off for sure. In regards to those stories it's not as bad here in Scotland thankfully but things are on a bad path currently. Eventually kids here raised by Muslim parents should start leaving the religion in huge numbers after they grow up like what has happened to kids raised by Christian parents but the path to get there will be a lot more difficult than necessary if the horrendous culture surrounding this doesn't change soon.

Also as a gay man I cannot stand people acting like they're on my side but then throwing me under the bus to placate homophobes and that is unfortunately a far too common sight. I wish more people were willing to stand up to both Christianity and Islam but most only do that for one while defending the other which makes things really annoying when you're opposed to religion.