Saudi Arabia in talks with SE for 8 months to get LGBT content censored

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Norion said:

LurkerJ said:

I think the modern left is completely failing the LGBT cause with the highly civilised and the high tolerance they're trying to show to every body, I am not saying you're suggesting is wrong, and I am sure you're a nice person, but this simply doesn't work. Showing tolerance to intolerance isn't going to solve problems, it creates them. 

The left needs a wake up and needs to remember that de-christianising the west was a long-term process that included ridiculing and criticising religions and religious people at every turn, this sounds mean and horrible, but it's important to remember that religions criticises us at every turn as well, way more harshly and downright unreasonably. Kids born into religious families should be exposed to a culture that has normalised criticising their beliefs, just the way religions has normalising criticising liberal values, this makes their critical thinking centres less subjected to brainwashing as it keeps a narrow window open to understand that not everything they're being taught is true. We'll never have that in Saudi, but we should never allow their ideology to fester in our communities in the name of tolerance and being civil. 

On the other hand, acknowledging that we can't eliminate LGBT-phobia in Saudi, we should open proper immigration channels to the LGBT communities living under oppression, and it would a step in the right direction of regulating immigration in the west. 

This is really bad in the UK. You have left wing people here who genuinely argue things like Muslims not having a homophobia problem despite all the evidence to the contrary and it's infuriating seeing a backwards ideology spreading here and people defending it and attacking those who speak out against it.

Yeah, the modern left has few blind spots that don't make sense, this includes the homophobia coming from a certain religion, it also includes not wanting to have nuanced discussions about  the trans community issues, and the refusal to acknowledge or discuss the problems that open unregulated immigration can cause. 

To your point about Islam and its genuine homophobia problem, look at this recent story: 

Tory mayor resigns after apologising for attending LGBTQ+ event

A Conservative mayor has resigned after being labelled homophobic when he apologised for attending a council LGBTQ+ Pride event because it “contradicts” his beliefs.

Mohammed Nazam, the mayor of Keighley in West Yorkshire, faced anger after posting in a Facebook group that it was a “lapse of judgment” to attend the raising of a progress flag on Friday as part of the town’s Pride month celebrations.

In the post, he said he “wholeheartedly apologised” for attending the ceremony as it “contradicts my personal religious beliefs”. He added: “I want to emphasise that I have also personally repented for this error and reflected deeply on the consequences of my actions.”

In a statement following his resignation, he said he had meant no harm to LGBTQ+ people but refused to back down, saying “all elected Muslim representatives” would have needed to apologise to the Muslim community for attending such an event.

He said: “I attended the flag raising for LGBTQ community. This did not conform to my religious beliefs and hence I offered an apology to the Muslim community. All elected Muslim representatives would be in the same position.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/19/tory-mayor-resigns-after-apologising-for-attending-lgbtq-event

These crazy stories happen all the time, they're just not covered as widely and they don't lead to much "outrage" so they don't become popular. The Guardian usually ignores them, for example, they wouldn't touch the story of the autistic 14 year old boy who was expelled from school for literally getting the Quran scratched, the story is a national scandal. I don't want to give the right wing media outlets that covered the clicks but you can look it up.

A shame really, all this "avoidance" leads to is that people end up consuming the same stories but from a right wing perspective. This is coming from someone who PAYS monthly subscriptions to leftist independent media outlets (and only leftist channels), but even those independent political commentators/journalists won't touch these stories.

I understand the intent behind this "avoidance" is genuinely born out of the need to be tolerant and respectful, but it's damaging long-term imo.