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Biggerboat1 said:

'EU defines as a battery that maintains at least 83% of it's battery life after 500 cycles and at least 80% after 1000 cycles, are also exempt'

Do we know roughly what the bar currently is for flagship phones on this front? I just grabbed an s23 ultra & can't imagine having to upgrade for a very long time except for battery degradation...

1000 cycles doesn't seem much tbh. I've had my phone (Samsung Note 8) for almost 6 years. The first three were great then the last three the phone needs to be charge 3 to 5 times a day. Last two years I get the battery degradation warnings but just ignore them lol

Chrkeller said:

I'm surprised people have battery problems. I feel like my portable electronics go out of date long before I have battery issues. I tend to keep a phone 5 to 8 years.

When you use them for work a lot they drain quick. Even laptops are annoying with the way they lock now. IN the old days the battery would pop out. They can't tell us that the new design of one cover that is hard to take off some models is a much better solution.