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Cobretti2 on 13 July 2023
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Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:

I have no problem with people being happy. It's Hollywood and media making a big deal see we did it to make these people happy or speeches about how we doing diversity, look at us we playing our part attitude. They bring race into it by highlighting it rather then just say we picked the actress with the best voice and talent for it.

It is no different then those fake videos of people donating stuff to poor people and putting it up on social media without their approval. I mean fuck I live in the CBD and help homeless people out, but I don't go patting myself on the back for it on social media seeking attention, look at me I donated something to a person of need.

This is why I say it is tokenism, look at me we are the good studio of the industry filling in our coloured quota and letting you all know about it in your face that we doing it (and yes they don't say it in those words they use PR speak). That to me is degrading to the actress. If I was her I would be thinking did they really pick me on my talent or am I a publicity stunt to make Hollywood feel better about itself.

It's no different then women who are on boards of companies that show up for photo opportunities and the men are their smiling shaking their hand, then during the meeting the the same men saying it's ok you don't need to stress about it every time she has something to say in the meeting. Basically tokenism we hire women into power position, but in reality in the background she doesn't have input and starts to wonder why is she in this role. Now don't take this as ALL work places are like that, but there are some that still exist with that attitude.

So the point I am making is, we need to stop dividing ourselves by race, gender sexuality etc and focus on talent and attributes of the person who was given the job. Talk about actors for their talent and not try to stir the pot which leads to doubt of that person's ability. The media has no place in bring up skin colour for any of their articles as a talking point as all it does it fuel hate.

Or maybe the people who are crying that loudly about a black Ariel are simply jerk offs? 

Again if you got one kid on a playground of other kids who is crying and whining about everything every time something doesn't 100% revolve around them or isn't done around them or wants every day to be their birthday and no other kid to have a chance ... and then the parent just sheepishly sits there and shakes their shoulders and say "well it's because they had too much sugar for breakfast" ... nah lady, it ain't the sugar, it's that your like snot nosed kid is a spoiled piece of shit that doesn't understand not everything on the planet revolves around them. 

Hollywood has been incredibly white-only for decades, moreso than just about any other entertainment medium. The music industry, the sports industry haven't been like that for decades, but movies, basically unless you're Will Smith or Eddie Murphy or Denzel Washington was a whites only club and big budget fantasy blockbusters especially until very, very recently. And even today they are wildly still overwhelmingly white leads in these movies even though the demographics for these movies are no longer white only. 

Like you even look at the opening weekend demographic split for the Super Mario movie (the no.1 movie of the year) ... the white audience proportionately was below Hispanics, Asians, and black audiences. The white demo in the US is aging and doesn't even go out to see films much anymore. 

Again you bring up history, just because it was bad doesn't mean you overcorrect it to catch up. Throughout time all colours of people have oppressed and killed others, be it because of  race, religion, sexuality or simply wanting more land. Do we forever hold a grudge against that history or do we try to move forward and do the right thing by all? We are supposedly much smarter then our ancestors so should we not be making smarter decisions for all humanity?

You bring up sport. NBA is a good example where now majority of the team is black. The question is why is that the case? The simple answer is they are better basketball players and athletes. Now NBA is a sport that is watched world wide as entertainment. Does that suddenly mean fuck we should cater to the viewing audience so they feel better and have a white dude, an Asian dude a Latin dude and 2 black guys as the starting line up for a team? Absolutely not, we watch sport to see the best of the best play it. 

Now how did basketball and NFL to an extend suddenly become so black dominant? Is it perhaps because it all starts with education. As time went on they were given better opportunities to complete high school and go to college and then get drafted to play at that level. Perhaps acting is the same now. Maybe need better opportunities to be accepted into acting degrees, maybe they don't want to study acting as there is plenty of other more interesting things for them to do. Maybe they are already represented based on total population like curl has said, who knows.

You brought up a few black actors but I can list way more in the last 4 decades that I did not feel were tokens as their skills on screen showed why they had those roles. Their roles in those movies/shows felt natural as can be and not once did I think here we go again he only got the part because he was black because hey no one made a big deal about allowing a black person to you know earn a living as an actor. Let's see of the top of my head, Carl Weathers Forest Whitaker, Morgan Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr, Laurence Fishburne, Mekhi Phifer, Wesley Snipes, Danny Glover, Samuel L Jackson, Jamie Foxx, Don Cheadle, Sidney Poitier, Ossie Davis, Chris Tucker, Idris Elba, Richard Pryor and James Earl Jones all have had great acting careers in leading roles in movies, television and even voice acting. When you're hot you're hot and everyone wants a piece of you no matter what colour you are. Bill Cosby one minute on top of the world, next doing prison time.

Again to me when you make a big deal of race of that actor instead of their ability it takes away from their credentials because its like an up yours into people's faces, guess what we went black because we wanted to piss you off and not because they are talented. It is no different then atheists attacking religious people just to get a reaction. It isn't needed humanity is one race we fucking need to start acting like one species.