| JuliusHackebeil said: Equity leads to quotas. |
Uh no.
There are plenty of equitable initiatives such as blind resumes that have nothing to do with quotas.
| JuliusHackebeil said: Equity leads to quotas. And these are repulsive to me. Perhaps that is just me and a few others here. But there cannot be equality of opportunity if you strive for equity. Left alone, groups of people will choose different things. And looking at unequal outcomes and automatically assuming bias (and even a bias of a very specific, very nasty kind, racial bias) is jumping the gun. We have to prove how outcomes occur before we can competently try solutions to change these outcomes. That is not even touching the question if we should change the outcomes in the first place. |
There's a complicated relationship here.
Assuming that there aren't some strange cultural or genetic differences that cause black people to be more likely to go into certain fields than white people, then the fact that there is a difference is pretty indicative of there not being an equality of opportunity.
The cultural part is complicated, because there is plenty of evidence that there is basically a chicken and egg situation. There are for example plenty of studies that show that women for example are more likely to go into fields where they have role models. If women see other women becoming scientists, programmers, etc. They're a lot more likely to become those things themselves.
There's plenty of evidence showing various reasons why these outcomes are the way they are. It probably isn't the full picture, but there is quite a bit to it. One reason is issues with access. A lot of these jobs require education that isn't available everywhere.
My issue here is that you're assuming that someone getting an opportunity must mean that someone else is wrongfully losing an opportunity; and that it seemingly wasn't possible that they were both equally deserving of that opportunity.
| JuliusHackebeil said: To be fair about what Paatar said: people did in fact care that Ariel was played by a black person. They complained a lot. But I do think that the double standard still exists though. People would riot, if we had a white Blade or Shaft. |
People wouldn't riot. They absolutely complain, that's why we have the term whitewashing.
The primary issue is that opposite groups of people are complaining about opposite biases.
