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Wyrdness on 27 May 2023
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SvennoJ said:

"Skyrim ran poorly on PS3 because the platform had split memory available for the whole game in general"
How is that not hardware holding the game back, the topic of this thread?

And how does a 10 floor skyscraper build from over 1,000 individual pieces or animated billboard build from 260 monitors with logic circuits for animation not compare to contraptions I have seen so far in TotK.

Anyway I've realized now TotK is about making temporary contraptions, not about building permanent stuff like in F4. Which to me is a minor downside, as it feels rather pointless building things that simply disappear again.

You don't need a NASA computer, just a smarter way to keep track of changes in the world. Indeed with dynamic cells and proper streaming of data assets. Automatically balancing the load based on density, reducing draw distance when too much user made stuff is around. But maybe it's a hardware constraint on how big the save file is allowed to get. You do need some place to store the data.
Dynamic interactions are a separate 'issue'. Not even Minecraft animates its whole world all the time. Stuff out of range can simply offload from memory while saving it's current state.

As for the topic, more RAM, more internal storage space, both would allow for more world persistence.

Because it's not hardware that held it back it was architecture, the PS3 reserved half it's memory for its OS and other things, 360 had identical specs and Skyrim ran fine this flat out shows hardware wasn't the issue.

You mean a ten floor skyscraper built on a set cell location in an open world that has only one layer and far fewer interactions, physics etc... And still despawns things in the same way in the overworld? Not even close to TOTK for example throw a grenade in F4 you just get an explosion that affects enemies and small items, throw a bomb in TOTK and trees get knocked over spilling any content, near by grass sets on fire that spreads which itself causes other interactions like creating warm air, burning loose ingredients or items which in itself can cause reactions with items that are dropped as well as affecting enemy behaviour and equipment.

TOTK is not just tracking what you build but all of these dynamic events which is why what you ask is unrealistic in a huge seamless world, F4 is keeping track of small things in a set cells with only the building aspects being the dynamic factor and those are locked to certain cells for the same reason TOTK limits remembering what you build only TOTK you can build anywhere.

They are being smarter you're being unrealistic the is no hardware that will ever deliver what you are asking no matter the ram, cpu etc... because everything that is logged down will take up memory and resources even when the asset is not loaded. I highlighted this with what I pointed out in Skyrim, the game logging down everything you have affected just leads to a constant build up of data that the hardware will have to juggle it's like filling up a filing cabinet the more in it the longer it takes to find what you need and the is a limit. What ends up happening is that you get a game that starts out fast and gets slower over time until a limit gets hit at which point the game can't run the smart thing to do is simply allow the game to limit, forget or reset a number of things. 

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 27 May 2023