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Azzanation said:
Manlytears said:

This thread still going!? Pretty sure Ryuu96 alredy explained with rich details the advantages of Xbox hardware side.

Nope he hasnt.

Machiavellian said:

As a consumer, I always need Sony to feel MS right behind them ready to flip the status quo and Sony to push to keep it.  Case in point, I just purchased Sony PS Extra because Sony is selling it for 36 bucks for the whole year.  Why do you believe Sony is heavily discounting PS+ Extra, because of GP of course.  With no competition, there would be no need for Sony to provide this discount and we as consumers benefit from competition between them both as each seeks to secure customers.

You not trusting Sony isnt MS problem. As a customer i want to see MS focus on making great games, not great consoles that dont sell.

Epic was upsetting more people by taking games off Steam weeks before release. Valve has been doing just great as the sole major PC platform. It does not need competition. Competition breeds bad behaviours like we have seen.

Sega didn't kill themselves, they couldnt compete. History shows Sega and Nintendo was healthy. The moment a 3rd enters, someone ends up exiting. Just look at all the companies who left the industry. The proof shows. Only 2 can maintain enough momentum. 

Give Sony the Monopoly and let them do what they want, i dont care. MS will benefit from other platforms more. It won't affect me or MS as a whole. Console market is considered niche in the tech world.

ABK is worth $70b as a 3rd party publisher. Doing pretty well without hardware. You can try to debate it, the evidence is all here as a buisness standpoint, MS needs to drop the hardware asap so they can be the biggest gaming publisher. 

But MS hardware does sell, maybe its not selling enough for you but it sells enough for MS to make a profit off that hardware so not sure about that conclusion.

Who cares if Epic was upsetting people, what Epic did do was provide competition.  With competition it also puts Valve on noticed to not become complacent.  Epic store may never become close to Valve but it doesn't matter because they are in the space and Valve has to consider the challenge and continue to update their store to remain competitive.

Don pretty much covered your Sega argument so no need to go over that history

Hell NO, give Sony the monopoly and we all have to work 3 jobs to afford the next PS system.  Sony would not need to sell at a loss which would increase the cost of the system.  Sony would not need to discount their games at a proper time it would be like Nintendo where their games can be out for over 2 years with the same price.  You give Sony a monopoly but then you believe that in the gracious heart of Sony they would allow MS to put GP on Sony platform.  Yeah that is  big reach.  That niche market is valued 64 billion dollars 

70 billion is ABK price as a company, you did not show what they make in revenue which is 7.5 billion annually.  Now you take MS gaming division annual sales at 15 billion and currently MS makes double what the biggest publisher makes currently.  The evidence doesn't support your opinion and its been pretty well laid out by Ryuu which you have not once provided any real data to dispute it. 

Instead, your opinion if rooted in best case scenarios on GP being the magic service that will double MS revenue without MS hardware.  Also your opinion is reliant on Sony allowing some form of GP on their platform and that MS will be selling more software on Sony platform compared to how much they sell on their own.  Your opinion forgets that MS selling on Sony platform will come at a cost, 30% cut to Sony, license fees for publishing rights.  Even if MS is able to get GP on Sony platform, in what form.  Definitely not any form that competes directly with what Sony offers which will make the service worse.  I doubt Sony is going to allow day one first party for GP on their platform forcing them to respond.

As a business standpoint you have not provided any real counter to the data Ryuu presented.  Most of your replies were one line sentence that basically said, GP will save the day.  No one doubts the benefit of GP currently but without hardware, you have not given any data which says it will sell outside of MS hardware and garner enough subs to make up the difference in loss revenue.