Pemalite said:Machiavellian said:
Even the One X was not that much more powerful than the PS4 pro. The thing is, the margin above what Sony was shipping was not near enough of a lead in hardware to even make the most jaded PS owner blink. It's the same today, on paper the Series X is considered the more powerful of the 2 this gen consoles but when it comes to games, we are not seeing enough of a headway from the Series X over the PS5 to make any real difference. |
The Xbox One X was substantially more powerful than the Playstation 4 Pro, the games have absolutely proven that.
But it's also an irrelevant point to make, the extent of how much more powerful a console is doesn't change the fact a console is more powerful.
The amount of consoles being sold is the other irrelevant point to make, because the discussion isn't about sales or market-share.
Machiavellian said:
What I am saying is that MS can never let Sony get the lead on hardware as the 3rd place system because being the market leader and having the better hardware just makes any kind of run for marketshare that much harder for MS. Unless MS could differentiate their hardware enough from Sony to carve out its own space like Nintendo, then it's always going to be a war for better faster hardware which MS either needs to win significantly or at least be on par but being on par really doesn't help. |
Agreed.
It also helps if Microsoft doesn't make stupid hardware choices as well. I.E. eSRAM+DDR3 vs GDDR5.
Machiavellian said:
I really only believe MS ever had the most powerful system was the first Xbox, after that its been pretty much Sony all the way. |
That is false.
You even stated as such in your previous paragraph where you stated the "Even the One X was not that much more powerful than the PS4 pro."
Machiavellian said:
I totally agree that there is immense pressure to release a game and we have seen it countless times especially on the PC with really subpar performance. A delay of Redfall would have been a bitch for MS no matter what but the game really was not in a shippable state. Even Phil knows this because he personally had to come out and apologize. It could be that the information he was given was not correct, because I doubt, he has time to review every game coming out personally but in this instance with how bad 2022 was for output, the damage is huge with your first AAA game release. I guess the expectation for Redfall were way to high but now every game will be given a bigger critical eye which will make it even worse to hit above weight for their remaining games this year. |
I honestly had zero expectation in regards to Redfall as I personally wasn't interested in the title.
It's just a shame that it didn't do well technically or critically as I would like to see every competent developer do well. |
I should have stated at the start of each console generation.
Still at no time during any generation outside of the first Xbox and mind you it came out what about a year after the PS2 that MS had the most powerful console. Think about the PS3 era, MS has a year head start and when the PS3 hit and games were not performing at the same level as the 360, MS marketshare grew over the Sony big time. The only thing that stopped the momentum was the RROD. Then coming into the next generation MS came with the Xbox one which was a weaker system, performed weaker on all levels and was more expensive than the PS4. The Xbox one did not only kill the momentum that the 360 created, but it also nuked just about everything MS was looking to do as far as gain marketshare. By the time the One X arrived, the damage was already done, Sony marketshare was way to large at that point and the games from Sony was just hitting much harder than what was coming from MS. Even this console generation I am not giving MS the edge because no matter what the paper says concerning which hardware is more powerful, only Sony has shone through their first party games that power while MS has been floundering. Maybe that may change later in this generation but like the PS4 era, by the time that may happen it will be way to late.
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