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Azzanation on 04 May 2023
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the-pi-guy said:
Azzanation said:

Sony have the marketing rights to CoD.

Marketing rights don't prevent MS from making money off CoD.  It just sways a chunk of the sales towards Sony. Probably not even as significantly as some people think, because PS owners are going to tend to buy CoD on their system in the first place.  

Azzanation said:

360 Lost MS $4b at the end of its life. Only reason they stayed in the industry was because of the subs. Something they don't need to rely on Hardware for anymore.

I would need to see a citation for that number, and what the scope was for that number. They lost a large amount on hardware, they made money off licensing and subs, and their own game publishing. I would need to know what factors that number included.

I doubt their subs would be as sustainable without Xbox hardware.

Sony have the marketing rights, which pushes a huge amount of CoD sales on their platform. Sales = Profits. Sony is making Billions on CoD alone, Xbox isn't. Sony have the Console CoD audience.

360 lost $4billion on hardware, the subs is what kept MS from leaving the market, the exact point of my thread. MS want subs not hardware responsibilities. 

Pemalite said:

You do need competition.

The thing about Valve and Steam though is that they are a privately held company.

That means they don't have to appease shareholders and drive profits at any expense.
Gabe Newell can spend money and not turn a profit on a side project and not be held accountable on failing to get a return on an investment or idea.

That definitely means that Valve can maneuver itself in the marketplace a little differently than other business ventures, but it also means they are limited in how much money they can raise to enter new markets.

We also need to remember that Steam has competition... Origin, uPlay, EpicStore, Battle.net Launcher, Windows Store and more are all competing for a piece of the same pie, which has consistently pushed Steam to remain the defacto store, even when developers/publishers tried to omit them.

Even before these other stores popped into existence, Steam was competing with consoles.


As for Microsoft and controllers... Microsoft is trying to exit the peripherals market to a degree, they have wound down their Microsoft keyboards/mice/controllers and are rebranding their premium variants to "Surface" devices.
...Probably wont get an update to sidewinder force it seems.

Their controllers will go in the same direction if they exit the console business.

Disagree. 

For starters, weather UPlay, Originas, EpicGS, Battle.Net, Windows Store and ill add another GoG didn't exist, it wont change anything to how Steam is still ran today. If anything, competition has created more issues with the PC market place, like when EGS entered the market, creating more headaches for users and poaching games off Steam which frustrated players. Steam doesn't need competition.

DonFerrari said:

I don't need Xbox personally, but you are wrong on X1 or Series burning money from MS. They may not have high profits (MS doesn't show the numbers), but the HW itself hardly is losing more than 1 or 2 games worth of profit, so considering the 10+ average it console sells and the subscriptions the HW itself is advantageous to MS.
Regarding needing MS to keep Sony in check I don't believe in it, PS2 dominated the market with easyness and still had price, quantity and quality while PS4 had a much stronger competitor in X1 and didn't cut prices besides once and in PS5 situation is similar regarding sales and besides the price increases due to inflation/exchange ratio there is no interest from either MS or Sony to cut prices at the moment.

Xbox hardware costs billions to RnD and create. It also means they need customer service stations, manufacture materials, deals and the middle man to sell them. XB1 made money for Xbox but it was due to subscriptions and Software sales. Xbox doesn't sell enough hardware to stay relevant.

You dont need Xbox to exist since you don't invest in it. So hopefully for you, soon Xbox will pull out of the hardware business and you will just have PS for your needs.