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Pemalite said:

Mummelmann said:

Yeah, the shitshow continues with the 4070. I still can't accept the fact that lower middle cards go for enthusiast prices now. I wonder how quickly the lower end 40xx cards will become obsolete at this point? Not just with VRAM limitations and throttled bandwaith, but for sheer performance. They can't hide everything behind DLSS either. I think this generation will be seen as a try-and-fail scenario in hindsight, and that some more proper designs will reveal themselves in the coming generation. I would wait one more year or 18 months, but I just can't hold off any longer, my rig is getting seriously old.

I would argue they are already obsolete.

The Radeon RX 6700/6750 10/12GB is probably the best buy at the moment, they are being heavily discounted.. And will be "passable" for performance at 1440P for a year or two yet, hopefully by then prices tank further.

My "gaming" notebook has a 3060 6GB, it actually doesn't run to badly, that is... Until that DRAM starts to be the limiting factor which happens quickly even at 1080P.

Just pretend this generation never happened... And hopefully the market corrects itself.

Yep, at less than 400€ starting price the 6700XT is actually good value now, especially compared to the competition: It's in the same price bracket as the 3060, while the 3060Ti (starting at 440€) sits in between the 6750XT (starting at 410€) and the 6800XT (560€, base 6800 is actually more expensive than the XT models right now on Mindfactory) and 3070 (530€)

@bolded: This is why I won't buy a Laptop with a 3060 or below in it, I won't go below 8GB VRAM. Right now that leaves me with exactly 2 laptop options that I'll choose from under 1500€ with AZERTY keyboard layouts: 

1. Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 16 (Ryzen 7 6800H, RTX 3070 and a great 1600p 165hz 500nits screen, 1TB SSD, or
2. ASUS TUF Gaming A16 Advantage Edition (Ryzen 7 7735HS (so basically the same CPU), Radeon 7600S (performance-wise, it should be in between a desktop 6600 and 6600XT with tendency to the latter), less bright 1200p screen and just 512GB SSD

The Lenovo is right now almost 1000€ off (original price is 2429€), so both cost around 1500€, but there's no guarantee this discount will last until the point where I can afford to buy that laptop. Pretty much all other laptops with similar specs available here are closer or even past 2000€.