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the-pi-guy said:
Chrkeller said:

Much like other topics, a balance is best.  There is no perfect system.  Personally capitalism has worked for me.  I've worked hard and have accumulated wealth.  My larger point, which you intentionally missed, was a lot of people are poor because they don't work hard and can't budget.  Not all poor people are victims.

And regardless if people want to admit it, competition drives innovation.  There is a reason most innovations come from the same few countries over and over.

>There is a reason most innovations come from the same few countries over and over.

Despite the fact that every country has capitalism?

And it's just a coincidence that those countries you're thinking of, are all countries with centuries of history taking advantage of other countries?  

There are two issues at play. 

First there are no points of comparison.

We don't have any real idea of how things could be different. All of our experiences are based in this world and not some other world. 

Many of the people that say they like Capitalism are basing that not on any understanding on what Capitalism is, but based on other things like being afraid of change or being relatively content with their lives as it is. Even if their lives would be better under another system.  

The second issue is that the people who have the most power in this system, have the most incentive to fight any kind of change. 

Chrkeller said:

A lot of hardworking people who don't build wealth picked poorly with career choice.

So Capitalism isn't a meritocracy, and people are being punished for making the "wrong" choices...  Sounds like a great thing to build a civilization on. 

Here people are given freedoms to pursue their dreams.  How people leverage said freedoms are their choice.  But somebody who leverages their skillset to make a good living shouldn't feel guilty because somebody else wants entitlements for doing a lot less.  

I love fishing but I didn't pursue being a charter captain.....  not my fault if others picked hobbies expecting a big pay off.