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Machiavellian on 29 January 2023
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SvennoJ said:
EpicRandy said:

Using Sony and other big tech isn't about blaming them for anything it's about asserting context.

So far I have referred to Sony as being the most vocal complainant to the deal, which it clearly is, and contextualize regulatory bodies findings which the OP invited US to discuss.

I also referred to Sony as being about the sole actor on the losing end of the deal (though not without mitigation), which I don't believe is unfair or a blame of some sort or unjustified by the context of the thread.

I also referred to Sony and every other big tech when substantiating my claim that the behavior MS were tried for are tolerated today and is used by pretty much all said big tech including Sony. This is not blaming Sony this is simply putting the 20 years old court case in context and asserting that I don't believe it is of any relevance to the deal.

If you believe that I or other referred to Sony or any other actor in an unjustified or innaprotiate way, by all mean quote it directly, explain why the reference was unjustified.

Also you say It's about relying on GoG / Gamepass for reputation / cash flow instead of making sure to pump out quality, bug free, complete games on day 1. and However the whole day one on gamepass has become an excuse for shoddy releases. It's alright, it's 'free' on gamepass. It's early access!

I don't understand it to be the case, MS isn't taking quality lightly by using GP reputation as said reputation is dependant on the quality of it content and there's literally no incentive from GP's perspective of rushing a game out, sure mishaps happen but I have played many day 1 title on GP without any major issues.

No games are bug free and completeness is only a matter of point of view. Games like Grounded add new features and content every patch, does that mean the game will never be considered complete or that each and every version can be considered a slightly different complete game? A game like Destiny uses extension through DLC does that mean the game isn't complete at launch or the fact that you have to pay for extension mean it was complete?

All in all, as I understand it, Xbox titles are not handled in any different ways than prior to GP and is certainly not unlike the overall industry. I don't blame anyone here except when the game has been clearly rushed out (GTA trilogy remaster, CP2077) which I don't believe is a major concern with MS and Xbox. Of course, MS isn't perfect either and can get better but the situation problematic overall.

So the answer still is, but others do it too / are just as bad or worse, so it's ok?
I guess that's an answer to how is the solution to objectionable practices is an even bigger objectionable practice?
No solution needed, just keep one upping until there's nothing left to one up with.

All in all, as I understand it, Xbox titles are not handled in any different ways than prior to GP
Where are they though, XBox had more (AAA) games coming out before gamepass...
Also they are much more life service now instead of complete day 1, that's different since GP.
Both last end year's AAA XBox releases have/had problems as I said, not a good track record.

Anyway enough whataboutism, this escalation of buying up bigger and bigger studios / publishers needs to stop. My 'fear' is that if this gets green lit, what's Google/Amazon/Apple/Sony going to gobble up next...

MS did not have any AAA games last year only Grounded and Pentiment.  As for your assumption that GP is the reason for games stalling from MS, I believe you are jumping to conclusion and just picking anything to blame instead it just could be that none of MS games were actually ready to ship because they were not complete or Phil held them for extra polish.  Who really knows but based on just the developer direct, MS stands a chance of releasing way more AAA games in 2023 than in 2022.  Also not sure what problems MS had with the games that did release last year since they all scored pretty decently unless you are talking about the amount.

The thing is, the market is all about gaining content from Sony, Tencent, Amazon, MS you name it.  Your fear is to late because its already been green lit.  Each company is trying to gain an advantage and they will continue to either add it by purchasing it or suppress it by using tactics that lockout the other competition.  You fear MS grabbing ABK/Blizz but probably do not really care that much about Sony locking out MS on AAA games.  Fans of different systems from my perspective only really care about their main needs but the way I see it, I need MS to stay as competitive as possible because I know where Sony will go if they dominate to much.

I like Sony after the PS3 and I like MS after the Xbox 1.  I noticed when both get to far ahead, we as gamers suffer but when each is striving for my dollar, I get Series X and GP and PS5 and that wonderful controller.