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Ryuu96 said:

Angelus said:

We shouldn't assume that the people you think are completely relying on outside regulators to get a "win" here, but are simultaneously lying about the proceedings taking place under the supervision of outside regulators, and are asserting this in legal documents outlining their case no less, are stupid? 

I mean...we certainly shouldn't think they're playing 4D chess, that's for sure lol

I never said they're relying on EC

All it takes is CMA. EC can be appealed too. It's clear that CMA is the crutch and CMA's arguments also strongly match FTC's arguments, it's not 4D chess, it's a risky bet to take but it's one that actually makes some sense. Sue before CMA makes their move which gives them the confidence to block the deal outright, then Microsoft will abandon the deal and both CMA and FTC come out with a huge win.

CMA will not want to be the only regulator in the world to block the deal, but with FTC against the deal, that prospect is now more convincing.

I'm just parroting the arguments of other lawyers as to what FTC's tactic may be, though.

Machiavellian said:

Their arguments are weak because their position is weak.  It's no complicated tactic it's just more posturing.  You are right they will play it for all its worth but at the end of the day it's just a tactic to prop up a few people who are looking to push their career.

This tactic only strengthens MS position as I continue to state.  If the FTC position is that MS could harm the industry by keeping COD from competitions platform, well MS has already shone they are more than willing to make concessions on that front.  This plays more into MS hands then it does the FTC and it gives MS the ability to deal and take away those arguments.  As I pointed out, this is what actually makes me believe that MS will land this deal above 90% because it really seems like everything is played exactly as MS would want.

You don't push your career by losing, you only look like a loser who wasted everyone's time and money.

FTC doesn't care about Microsoft's concessions, they want the deal blocked.

You're FAR too optimistic on this deal, things definitely aren't going according to plan or exactly as Microsoft wanted, Lol.

Their arguments can be re-made precisely because they're doing it internally, they will present weak arguments and their internal courts will tell them to come back with something stronger, Microsoft cannot clear this up until FTC takes them to federal courts and FTC won't take them to federal courts until they go through their internal procedure first, it's a delay tactic.

And why companies are demanding the SC changes thing so that they can take FTC straight to federal courts and skip the internal procedure.

I'd recommend following the Era thread cause it has a lot of useful information on this whole stuff and Idas is an actual lawyer, along with Hoeg.

You also do not push your career with a crap lawsuit as well.  You think when I say career I mean in the FTC, this is not what I am saying.  I am saying political career.

It does not matter if the FTC does not care about MS concessions, those are for the CMA and EU.  The FTC lawsuit has so many flaws that once those concessions are accepted, their court case has even less of a chance.

It doesn't matter how many poorly made arguments they come up with, their position is weak.  You cannot make a weak position better just because you are more willing to throw more crap at the wall.  When the EU has to correct one of your main complaints, I just do not understand how you see that as a win for the FTC.

There is no one saying the FTC position or lawsuit is strong, its posturing.  Your summary is that the FTC want someone else to do their own dirty work when they have such a weak case which makes them look weak as well.

Trust me, I follow a lot of threads that is why my prediction is that MS situation is strong.  To many opinions have you all over the place and maybe you care too much. I on the other hand do not care if MS win or lose.  I am going by how this is shaping up and so far, it's looking golden.  There is nothing I have seen so far that MS need to panic over.  If anything, they should be walking into conversations with regulators like a boss.