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Machiavellian on 28 November 2022
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zero129 said:
Machiavellian said:

You basically just stated it, some still do hold grudges.  Actually, I remember quite a few Irish terrorist back in the day and I am sure there are still some people today that still believe that the British are evil.

One person terrorist is another person freedom fighter, it's all about perspective.  So yes, there are some people who still hold grudges but that's because some people are still living with prejudice, discrimination and hatred within America.  It would be hard to see the side of someone who still have bitter thoughts unless you walked within their shoes.  This is not me condoning such thoughts but its just classic in how Humans operate.

Let me ask you this question, have you ever been pulled over by a police officer because of the color of your skin.  I know plenty of black people that experience this every day.  I know one couple whose husband is pulled over on a regular because he is black and live in a predominate white neighborhood.  When you do not have to live with such discrimination, it's very hard to understand how it feels and how it affects you.

The thing is, Americans have been painting people with broad strokes for decades.  Hell we have new terms like Woke or Maga.  Blacks, Asian, Native Americans have been painted with broad strokes for decades in the US.  From the outside looking in, you can only really compare to what you have experience but because of that experience it limits you to the complexity of how things work within the US.

Take a stroll through the social network Gab to get a good feel of real racial hate.  Your solo Celeb is probably tame to the stuff that goes on in that place.

1. Some will always hold grudges but that in no way gives them rights to blame a whole race of people for their problems years after the fact. Even more so when the main people you see doing this "Are Rich" people who are pretty much just jumping on to a bandwagon.

2. Yes i have been pulled over by the garda/police and treated different/worse than a settled person since im from a traveler/gypsy backgound and some of them think of us as free scanting hicks who are out to rob everyone and just likes to live on social welfare.

I dont blame a bunch of cops for that or every settled person i just blame "Them" cops who done itas they dont equal everyone.

3. Thats the problem and the point im trying to make. The longer people keep painting everyone the same the more harder it is to make the problem go away.

Its not about giving anyone a right to do anything, because you cannot give that right or take it away.  A person that holds a grudge for whatever reason will do so because as humans that is what we do.  Whether it's blaming a whole race, or gender or sexual orientation, this is what humans do because we see this example every day.  

So how does that make you feel.  Its one thing to have it done once and a blue moon, its another to deal with it on a daily basics.  The thing is, how do people deal with such situations because everyone is not going to react the same way.  My point is that you seem to only view a situation on how you will react but that's not how it really works because everyone is different and come from different backgrounds and environments.  Everyone usually believes how they react to a situation is the correct response, that is why you can have so many different responses to just about every scenario.

I understand the point you are trying to make but your fix to that problem isn't going to happen anytime soon because the problem you present is nothing new.  Its not like we all woke up today and started to believe that if only we stop being prejudice, discriminatory, angry, fearful etc all the problems would just go away.  What I am saying is that it really does not matter if it's some Celeb or the person down the street.  They are all just human, it being a Celeb means nothing as if that status makes that person any better than the person you meet by chance.  Social media just helps to bring out opinions you would never know someone holds within themselves because now their opinion can reach millions in seconds.  That is why I say go to Gab and you will see such hate on the regular.  The problem is as old as time itself and the solution to that also is as old.  The complexity is how do you implement the solution because for as many people who believe "Stop painting everyone with broad Strokes", there are just as many who are happy to do exactly that.

So my main point is that it seems you are focused that a Celeb has said some hateful stuff but I am saying there are millions saying hateful stuff everyday.  Just because its some Celeb is of little consequence in the light of how many unknown people who view and say such things on a daily basis.  The only difference between a Celeb and your regular Joe is public fallout.