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Captain_Yuri said:

So today is the big day for Radeon team. AMD launched Zen 4 which was overpriced and is now selling similar to Rocket Lake numbers which is a CPU that launched in 2021. Meanwhile Zen 3 has the lead in sales while Intel's Alder/Raptor Lake is in second position thanks to the value the i5/i7 + cheap Z690 boards.

So their new CPU gen has largely been a flop, least until 7000X3D comes out. Now comes Radeon and Nvidia has largely played their cards which while the 4090 is very fast, we have seen tons of issues during launch such as driver problems and cable fires as well as a lack of DP 2.0. First two of the issues can/will be fixed so the important thing Radeon knows is the 4090 performance in every metric.

So for Radeon to win a generation so they can finally get above 20% market share, they need imo the 3 pillars that gamers want: Raster, Ray Tracing and Reflex.

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Sinc eyou've given your opinion, I'll give mine: if anyone actually belives that AMD will get "close" (say, 15-20%) of Nvidia in terms of ray tracing, they're nuts and will be greatly disappointed. But not by AMD, but by themselves because of their own unreasonable expectations.

If AMD manages increase their RT performance by two or two and a half times, that will already be great, and if they go as far as triple their RT performance, then that would be awesome.

When it comes to raster, AMD already showed great performance with RDNA3, so I hope they haven't forgotten about that and manage to end roughly on par with Ada, maybe even surpassing it slightly.

As for their conterpart to Reflex, I have no idea. We don't know how AMD is going to do that (heck, we don't even know what are they going to come up with!), and so it's impossible to make a prediction. Or, at least, I can't.

So yeah, and again, imho, AMD's best case here is to get roughly on par in raster, to not be ridiculed with RT, and fight (as usual) with a lower price.

But well, we'll know in a bit more than an hour.

I expect RDNA3 to beat Ampere in Raytracing performance, but to come close to Ada would be a miracle.

In raster, I think they will at least be close to the 4090, potentially while needing much less power, which would bode pretty well for mobile GPUs.

As for reflex, I don't think AMD will come with something similar yet, but I think the general design of RDNA3 could be flexible enough to come up with something similar down the road.

AMD is almost non-existant in mobile GPUs outside of the APUs. If they can get a foothold there with better efficiency then that could be a big win for them. But I doubt they'll be able to grow much on desktop unless they undercut the prices of NVidia really substantially.