| ConservagameR said: I didn't ignore it, you did, then I reiterated. How can XB Live be great because of charging, yet PC Live be awesome while free, while PSN was terrible due to being free? It stands to reason that XB Live could be free, but that would basically mean PSN could be free too. I don't see how XB Live could be free while Sony charged for PSN. Now that would be a bridge too far. You said Sony should've or needs to offer more in the box for free. Why couldn't the Kinect have been free then? I already said if Sony wanted more for a PS5 like their games, then it makes way more sense to charge a little more at launch like with their games. The fact Sony waited two years, and a year after inflation to do it, makes it much more likely that it's due to inflation, considering it's highly unlikely Sony figured this would come to pass, so they could squeeze out a few more dollars with hardware price increases near mid gen. For gamers who are having MS eat the XB costs, great, they charge too much for stuff like Windows anyway. That's no reason to try and put down Sony for trying to run a reasonable gaming business in this case. PS5 game prices was more questionable no doubt, but we have to see how they execute to know if it was worth it for most players or not. C19 has slowed that process so far, so we can only hope it speeds up and that titles drop in the exceptional state the should be in. |
This is some of the dumbest counter arguments I have read. You are literally comparing the XB1 launch price with a bundled Kinect device to a PS5 price increase with zero extras. I'll let you digest that.
No company, not even Xbox is supposed to lose money, it was even stated in the Xbox history, claiming MS could shut Xbox down and that every generation is not guaranteed.
Nothing Sony has done justifies the price increase. Continue to defend them, they will continue to raise the prices in the future.
| drkohler said: So your argument boils down to: Sony is not allowed to sell its hardware above manufacturing costs because XBox does not raise its price, too? And you even got a free camera with every (early) XBox1! You live in a strange world. In reality, we have the following situation: -The Playstation group lives in a world where they have to be profitable, both in hardware and in software, to stay alive. To stay profitable in the hardware part, they have to raise prices now, which is never a good thing. They simply can't afford hugely increasing losses do tue all the economical effects in operation now. To stay profitable in the software part, they have to offset the costs of keeping/buying studios as well as the huge costs building and maintaining the entire network structure. That simply boils down to higher software prices. -The Xbox group lives in a world where they get (directly and indirectly) billions of $ every year to stay alive. And they need those billions. 1. Your weird XBox1 camera example. The Kinect2 was a very, very expensive camera. Any engineer will tell you that looking at the teardown of it. MS shoveled billions of $ into the XBox group for including that camera into the XBox1 package (Kinect2 was an absolutely amazing piece of hardware. Weird that it went down without too much of a fight, likely losing another few billions of $ as the project seems to have been killed entirely). 2. How much does the XBox group pay to the MS server group to maintain, use and expand the network structure? Have they been freeloading on it from early on so they can show black numbers in their fy reports? Who pays for their constant buying up studios? Without all these suggar daddies, Playstation raising prices in the current economical situation is a simple necessity. Of course customers/you don't like it at all, but it helps that the hardware is going to sell anyways (at least in the foreseeable future while supply is insufficient to meet even a posibly slightly reduced demand). |
Dude you really need to understand how business work before jumping in.
Hardware has always lost money and these gaming companies continue to make record profits in these divisions regardless of the loss in hardware. PS was not losing money before and are not now. They just want to make more money because they can and because they have people like you and ConservagameR praise and defend them, meanwhile they will continue to milk.
Nice job, I wont be supporting greed.
Last edited by Azzanation - on 08 September 2022
