Do you see games as pieces of art? *potential spoilers*

[snyps]

JWeinCom said:

snyps said:

The meaning of the word art (and the word artist for that matter) still means what it used to. You’ve been wrong from the onset. You think that a person who is skilled and creative with his talents is not enough to be called an artist yet you mock me by calling me one? You think I’ll feign indignation while you call me dishonest? 

I know you are saying that it’s more common these days to say artist and mean visual artist. That doesn’t take away the FACT that artist can encompass many, (unlimited) fields of study. You ignored the history of the word art and how relevant it’s history is to how the word is still used today. Then you cherry pick the definition of artist while ignoring the totality of its meaning. I screenshot the webpage you referenced, you only cited the first part. It goes on to say what we are both saying. Like I said, anyone skilled at a craft is an artist. Like you are implying, artist especially means one who practices visual design.

You know I’m right. You are ignoring facts. Just admit that games are art, the creator of fine and entertaining gameplay is an artist, and players that light up their friends and admirer’s faces with their uncanny skill — are artist’s in their own right. 

If you can’t do that then that’s something you are going to need to work out on your own. 

I am calling you dishonest, because you have avoided answering very simple questions and to acknowledge virtually any points, as you have continued to do. Do you still talk in preshakespearean English? If someone asked you who your favorite artist is would you even consider naming a speedrunner under any realistic circumstance? These are simple questions, and the fact that you can't address them is telling and, yup, dishonest.

Yes, the common usage is what I said. Thank you for acknowledging that. If someone's using the common usage that would make sense in the context, and you counter by arguing that another usage would change the answer, you're just being obnoxiously pedantic. If someone faints and calls for a doctor, and you rush up saying "I have a PHD in Political Science" then you're being an asshole because that's clearly not what they meant. Likewise, if you promise your significant other that you'd take them to see some art over the weekend, and then show them a Mega Man 2 speedrun, you're also being an asshole, because that's not what any rational person would mean in that situation. 

And it is absolutely hilarious to have someone who won't acknowledge that words change over centuries telling me I am just ignoring facts. I legitimately laughed out loud, so thank you.

As for "cherrypicking" definitions, I'm confused how I could possibly do that. Weren't you arguing that there was only one usage for a word? Ands that the definitions for artist could be equated? And that definitions don't change? And we had to go to the original meaning? That's why I used the first part, because you were implying that was the true one and only usage. I was using your standard. So, then why would any meaning but the original meaning matter. Unless *gasp* words have multiple meanings, those meanings change over time, and the meanings we were discussing are not equal. Whaddayaknow.

Quite impressive. I might say that you are an artist at self owning. As for "admitting you're right" nope. By your definition it would be, but that is not what the OP seemed to be asking, nor what anyone who has ever asked that question meant. But using the "Because I said so" argument is a bold strategy. Maybe back it up with an actual argument about why your usage makes any sense in this context over the and I'll reconsider. 

So, let's review. If you're honest, then you can answer the questions. They're not hard I promise. Yes or no. 

Do words have multiple potential meanings and usages? 

Have those usages changed over time?

Is the common usage for artist the one that is given as the primary definition on the website you appealed to as an authority for the meaning of words?

By that definition would a gamer not qualify as an artist?

If the answers are yes, which they are if you're being honest, then that validates exactly what I've been saying. If you can't answer simple questions, that pretty much also validates what I've been saying. Fair is fair so I'll answer whatever questions you have. It's very easy when you have a reasonable and consistent position.

Calling people names like dishonest, obnoxious, etc etc (your list of name calling grows every post) doesn’t support your argument.. it just shows how weak it is. I don’t answer redundant questions and I don’t need your validation of my integrity as a reward for doing so.

Art has a definition. We disagree on that definition. I say a visual artist, and a martial artist are both artists. I don’t know how you can twist that so only one is an artist but that’s on you. I thought you would be able to understand that all definitions of art (past and present) tie together.