JWeinCom said:
XD. Everyone is using the word wrong but you I guess. My god the lengths people will go to avoid admitting the obvious. " But now, sire,—lat me se—what I shal seyn?A ha! by God, I have my tale ageyn. Whan that my fourthe housbonde was on beere,I weep algate, and made sory cheere,As wyves mooten, for it is usage,And with my coverchief covered my visage;But for that I was purveyed of a make,I wepte but smal, and that I undertake!To chirche was myn housbonde born a morweWith neighebores, that for hym maden sorwe,And Jankyn, oure clerk, was oon of tho.As help me God, whan that I saugh hym goAfter the beere, me thoughte he hadde a paireOf legges and of feet so clene and faireThat al myn herte I gaf unto his hoold." You know what that is? That's an excerpt from the Canterbury tales. Written about 100 years after 1300, when the definition for art you're using comes from according to the site you're linking. Do you talk like that? Obviously not. Because the way we use words has changed over the last 700 fucking years. I know for a fact you don't use words the same way people did in pre-Shakespearean times, because I can comprehend you, so it's ridiculous that you are arguing we have to use words in that manner. Gonna acknowledge that, or continue to show your mastery at avoiding honest conversation? Faggot once meant a bundle of sticks. Go around yelling about how you like to burn faggots and if someone seems angry, refuse to clarify, and just tell them you won't cater to their failed understanding. Go into a gay bar and yell about how gay you're feeling that day, and when people assume you're looking for a hookup, scold them and tell them how they're failing to understand, and you will not cater to them. Likewise, the meaning of art has changed. Plus, as has already been pointed out, the dictionary you're using as evidence has a definition for artist that is different than yours (not to mention all of the other dictionaries). So, if you want to insist your definition of art is correct based on that, then you have to accept your definition of artist is wrong. Will you acknowledge this, or simply continue your artistic dodging of valid points? We don't see eye to eye because one of us is being honest and one is not. The obvious answer that you avoided is that no, if someone asked you who your favorite artist was, there is no reasonable conceivable scenario where you would say something like "cheese the guy who has the Mario 64 speed run record". You could make up some wacky scenario, but in no circumstance that will ever occur in your life or any other would that happen. Because you know that is not how virtually anybody is using that term. Words are tools used to communicate. If you insist on using a word in a way that you know the vast majority of people are not using it, then you are the one failing to communicate. :) Amusingly failing at least. You may continue to ignore the points made, and if you so choose, use feigned indignation as a reason to cease the conversation, as is the custom around these parts. |
The meaning of the word art (and the word artist for that matter) still means what it used to. You’ve been wrong from the onset. You think that a person who is skilled and creative with his talents is not enough to be called an artist yet you mock me by calling me one? You think I’ll feign indignation while you call me dishonest?
I know you are saying that it’s more common these days to say artist and mean visual artist. That doesn’t take away the FACT that artist can encompass many, (unlimited) fields of study. You ignored the history of the word art and how relevant it’s history is to how the word is still used today. Then you cherry pick the definition of artist while ignoring the totality of its meaning. I screenshot the webpage you referenced, you only cited the first part. It goes on to say what we are both saying. Like I said, anyone skilled at a craft is an artist. Like you are implying, artist especially means one who practices visual design.
You know I’m right. You are ignoring facts. Just admit that games are art, the creator of fine and entertaining gameplay is an artist, and players that light up their friends and admirer’s faces with their uncanny skill — are artist’s in their own right.
If you can’t do that then that’s something you are going to need to work out on your own.
Last edited by snyps - on 15 June 2022
