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Machiavellian on 27 May 2022
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cyberninja45 said:
Machiavellian said:

I mean exactly that it does not stop crime.  How many gun incidents actually reduce crime at all or actually reduce murders.  If anything the main tool for killing is the gun in America.  So is the solution to go back to the wild wild west, everyone packing and every encounter is solved with a gun.  So you believe having teachers in classrooms packing is somehow going to reduce these incidents.  Its a fallacy because it builds on some fantasy that the mass murderer is some idiot who is not going to come prepared.  Just like Texas and Buffalo and even before these 2 incidents each killer has come well prepared for opposition and has been able to execute their strategy to kill as many people in a short period of time before either being captured or put down.  Its not that at some point someone will put down the assailant, its that more guns does not fix the problem nor will it prevent the incidents from happening.  Its not a realistic solution nor is it going to be an effective one because Texas already have armed resource and armed teachers.  

So no, its like putting a bandaid on a amputated wound, it may make you feel good but being effective no so much.

Ok if you believe that then disarm all law enforcement in your area then.

Again, why are you and others pushing for staff being completely unprepared for prepared mass murderers?

Most(All?) these mass shootings happens in areas where the number gun bearing people were low. The mass murderer doesn't have much preparing to do.  Gun free zones are obviously stupid in a country where it's your right to bear arms.

The Texas shooting had armed teachers? It wasnt a gunfree zone?

So in the Texas incident, the assailant shot 400 hundred rounds in less then a few minutes, armored up and you believe if more people was packing something like this is not going to happen, that is a fantasy. 

Parkland had an officer on duty and we saw what happen there.

Sandy Hook 

Answer this question for me, have you ever shot a hand gun.  

Have you ever shot a hand gun when being shot at

I have in both situations and I am telling you the movies make it seem easy to shot a hand gun but to actually hit a target is not easy at all. Then you take that situation and put it into combat situation and its on another level.  There seems to be this belief that just because someone is armed they are effective but the reality is that they can be just as much a danger as the assailant, shooting and spraying bullets all over the place.

The point again is that you seem to believe that we go back to the wild wild west and these incidents will decrease but the US lived that life before and going back to it not going to solve anything, instead every encounter will be a deadly encounter and its going to be who is the coldest killer and the fastest draw that lives to see another day.