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ConservagameR on 05 April 2022
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Machiavellian said:
ConservagameR said:

I'm not sure where you got this idea that I think services are a cancer to gaming and have no place. PS Plus is a service and has been around for well over a decade and is doing so great its expanding. There is a time and place for everything, it just depends on when, where, and for how long.

Then MS or XB is no different. Win 10 was a service, until it wasn't. Windows 11 is a service, or not, or who knows? XB can't be a service because the main difference vs PS is day 1, which isn't the key to what makes a service a service. There are many aspects. Now you could say that you think that XB services are simply better offerings than what PS provides.

If Game Pass and services were so important to the point they were everything, XB wouldn't be selling hardware anymore. If anyone can get Game Pass anywhere, there's no need to complicate things and waste time and resources on hardware. XB would rather use those funds to grow Game Pass, through more games, better games, cheaper monthly pricing, etc.

Phil didn't need a plan beyond a Netflix of gaming perhaps. Nobody did. It was beyond obvious in many ways to many people how XB1 had screwed up, just like with PS3. All Phil had to do was a 180 with most mistakes and many problems would be solved. BC was even something that was being complained about enough by fans of XB1 and PS4, so that was a no brainer for Phil to fill in the lacking gaps of first party. As for if Phil had Game Pass as an ace up his sleeve this whole time, maybe, maybe not. I'd have to believe that prior to Game Pass, if the 180's made had led to a strong enough comeback by themselves, it's likely Game Pass wouldn't have seen the light of day because it wouldn't have been needed.

XB is important enough to keep around for MS for a few reasons, one being the main reason by far. That has been clear to some for quite a while now. The acquisition funds say something, but not near as much as some would think. Just look at what MS put into Mixer and Ninja, all just to drop it when it didn't work out. That's not to say they'll drop XB, because I don't think they would since it's core, but Game Pass on the other hand, that could go if need need be.

I am not sure where you got the ideal I believe you have a good or bad opinion on gaming services.  I am pretty sure I have made no reference to that opinion since most of my points are against your stance that GP needs Sony validation. 

PS Plus is not a service, PS Now is a service.  I believe you are getting confused on the difference between the 2.  Never stated that this was not so, the difference I continue to state is the direction.  I also made the point, that MS stance on GP is that its the driving force for their future and this new service by Sony is still an extension of their console business.  There is a clear distinction on how each company views their services.

See one does not equal another.  Just because GP is considered the global direction for MS the company does not mean that they do not still make the Xbox console.  Just like MS makes mice, keyboards, surface PC and laptops.  The hardware are extensions of MS business while the services is the Main goal, its the opposite of how Sony view their eco system where the console hardware is the main and their services are extension of it.

Not sure if Phil direction was a no brainer, really does not matter, he made the right decisions and in the eyes of the CEO, those decisions gained him promotions from head of xbox to head of gaming for MS.  So whether those decision were no brainers means nothing, execution is what companies look for.

Xbox will be around for as long as MS can sell consoles, just like them selling mice, keyboards, laptops ect.

That's because I never said Game Pass needs Sony validation. I said XB hoped for validation through a potential Game Pass competitor from Sony.

So saying what you think, or what you are, means everything, yet nothing, if you don't follow through and deviate instead?

Netflix is a service because that's what a service is. If Netflix started selling their own hardware to be able to make use of their service, that would no longer make them a dedicated service company. Now if those devices were free with a sub, then they would still be considered a service only company.

This means MS (with XB), as well as Sony (with PS), are both partially service companies. As I already put it, hybrids, though one is more of a true hybrid than the other at this point, or one is closer to becoming a full service you could say.

Companies do prefer employees with useful idea's that can execute. If their idea's aren't useful, then they just want a yes man who will do what they're told. Phil at the very least can execute. How many useful new idea's were his, that's hard to say.

I can't really argue much with that. MS would have to come up with some other big game plan prior if they were going to axe XB. For as long as XB has been around now, it looks as though MS thinks it's worth keeping no matter what.