The rumor is finally true - PS+ and PSNow merger

[ConservagameR]

Machiavellian said:

ConservagameR said:

The reason why the Nin Switch didn't end up exactly like the PS Vita, is because that would've been stupid. When someone (like Nin) see's a product (Vita) as weak or a failure, they don't copy it exactly, if at all. It's the same reason why you see so many copies of Nike's.

If the new Plus service was a copy of Game Pass, then yes, absolutely, it would help to justify Game Pass. As I said earlier, new Plus removes some validation from Game Pass. It doesn't invalidate it, it just shows that it's not necessarily completely valid at this time, or maybe not at all.

Phil was an important part of bringing XB1 to market wasn't he? He wasn't the boss with the final say, but was Phil voicing his opinion that he believed XB was on the wrong path? People also didn't know that MS would go from XB1 to XBSS and XBSX. Another XB1 this gen would've led to the console sales being a disaster. Phil has also said they don't care about hardware as it's not needed to enjoy the full XB experience anyway, so why would their hardware matter?

As for Game Pass having nothing to do with Sony, that's just a case of turning a blind eye. It's like saying XB1X had nothing to do with PS4 and Pro. For someone to say that everything Sony has ever done, like the new Plus for example, was always pre planned and never had anything to do with XB would just be complete favoritism nonsense. The new Plus is no doubt a reaction from Sony to what the market is doing as well as their competition.

Well MS said it was all about Windows as a service with Win 10, which would continue forever supposedly, and then they coincidentally changed their minds and made Win 11 right about when they would've if they weren't actually a service in the first place. As for MS not being a hardware company, they do seem to be pushing all their (new) hardware far more than they ever did prior. Not just for computing, but 2 levels of next gen consoles at launch, with one is boasted as the most powerful hardware ever.

None of the explanation of day 1 matters if nobody else can really do it because it doesn't fit their profitable gaming businesses, gaming model. Having a sugar daddy who gives you their pocket change from their other businesses monopoly to keep funding your project to outlast the competition is all that matters considering the competition can't do that. It would be like trying to explain why PS TV's were great and why XB TV's weren't. PS had Sony so they could easily make TV's, when MS didn't make TV's and barely any hardware at all for that matter, so how was XB supposed to compete?

Game Pass isn't the end all be all for gaming, just like how PS TV's weren't. They were a nice extra for some (for a time), but that's it.

Not sure why you stated GP isn't the end all for gaming as I doubt anyone actually made that statement, but I would say that GP is the end all for MS as they have put their whole company behind it.  MS isn't copying Sony, they are moving in their own direction.  MS sees a future with multiple competing services which there already is and they see probably more players coming.  I am sure Apple will enter when they are ready.  One thing for sure, there are billion of devices out there and all of these companies are looking for a way to get their eco system on them all if possible.  

Day one on GP make sense if you are building games for a service not a console. You still think of MS as a console maker and they are making games for the Xbox but instead MS direction has changed and they are a service company making games for GP and the Xbox is just one device they will use to deliver those games.  This is my opinion but I believe GP is more important to MS as a company than the Xbox division.  Sony and even Nintendo make games for their hardware and their services are just extension. 

Actually the Xbox was competing very well against Sony until Don M decided to try to make the Xbox One into an entertainment system.  That is why he got the boot and Phil is now the man in charge and he has since put the division and MS in the right direction.

Plenty of people, and most of the media, seemed to think Game Pass was the future of gaming, hook, line, and sinker. So much so they believed or were flat out convinced that PS Plus Pass or whatever it was called, would compete directly with Game Pass. Even after Sony and fewer others made it clear that wasn't going to happen because Game Pass wasn't all that. I do agree that XB pretty much has no choice but to continue this direction. There is little room to maneuver from here on in.

Well if that's the case, then PS and Sony are also a service company. Sony tried already but cancelled their service if I'm correct. PS has been offering a service for over a decade now, while expanding, and also offering everything else they do, like hardware, no different than XB, so if XB is a service company, than so is PS. I'd say as a company, XB is just like Switch. It's a true hybrid. Where as PS is one step behind that with the Vita as a semi hybrid.

Yes but why didn't Phil do more to solve that problem or why didn't Phil remove himself from the problem? Same can be said for crazy Ken. PS was doing great until Ken went Don M with PS3 and let the 360 right through the door. XB didn't even have to knock. They just sat down and ate PS's lunch.