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foxmccloud64 on 01 March 2022
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Machiavellian said:

I find this interesting, exactly what is being overblown about the invasion.  Could you elaborate on this one and if possible put the source of it.  If you believe one story and doubt another, is it your bias that choose one over the other or is it creditable evidence.  I am not doubting what you say as those things does happen but the story of one Ukranian that says things isnt all that bad when we have other first hand images from multiple sources would need some backing up.

Yes of course let me see..., i was writting this response before but it suddenly the tab closed and it didn't save in fact i think the previous version was better written,but here i go again:

We have been having an influx of shock videos, images and notes that have been used by newspapers, TV and other media around the world and shared a lot in social media,  but have been verified to be false as pointed out by Agencia EFE (in spanish but you can use google translate in those sites,  has a great counting of reported fake imagery)

https://verifica.efe.com/desinformacion-y-mentiras-ucrania-y-rusia/

https://verifica.efe.com/crisis-ucrania-rusia-tanques-invasion-protestas-bulos/

and others media

https://www.univision.com/noticias/no-evidencias-fuera-contexto-falso-video-facebook-ataque-ruso-ucrania

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/propaganda-fake-videos-ukraine-invasion-bombard-users-83102027

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/politics/fake-ukraine-videos-fact-check/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-europe-media-social-media-80f729025396abf9ad9e4e9d0b4f5ece

Some have reported that several of the fake news spreaders have even go so far to use videogames, CGI and other footage to "describe" the situation in the zone

https://www.levelup.com/noticias/663779/Fake-news-Videos-de-ARMA-3-pasados-por-ataques-a-Ucrania-fueron-vistos-por-miles

not only it has been sharing on the social media but also in "official and credited" news media outlets like this spanish ones, which was rightfully called out by the people that sumbmitted the twits 

Others have used images like children injured or one that has been in a lot of news, about a girl bidding farewell to his dad who has to stay to fight off the invasion, which is in fact the reverse, it was a image of a father in the separatist republic of Donestk who had to flee to Rusia and leave his daughter behind, becuase of the conflict in 2014

on another note this colombian guy was interviewed in Univision, and the journalist were appaled that he was denying the narrative they were going to push him to say about the Russians

Also, I have had relatives living abroad in both Rusia and Ukraine to study and do their careers for almost all their life, and also several teachers that came from there to the university I studied, living there before and after the fall of the USSR, and like the colombian guy they have pointed out that first, there has always been a lot of missinformation spreaded in the western countries and their media about how it was living there (not that it was a paradise, in fact some had it harsh), but also they pointed out is that there were a lot of local conflicts in those regions, and one thing that they observed repeteadly is that people started to treat each other more and more in very roughly manner, according to "identity", "nationalisms", "ethnic groups" and other things even before the fall of the USSR . Now part of the problem is that people have started to divide among themselves in some regions by such categories, that for simplicity have been labeled by some into  "pro-russian" or separatist, and "Ukrainians".

Some chronology to have more information about the conflict

https://www.rtve.es/noticias/20220224/cronologia-entender-crisis-rusia-ucrania/2270961.shtml

what we get is that there are regions where large groups people aren't not only not in accordance with the government but also with their neighbors everyday people.

- By protests the president that was in 2013 was kicked out of power due to how a sector of people reacted to his politics and his retaliation, this opposition mainly represented a lot of people in Kiev and the neighboring blue regions in a map, and a few red regions in the map

- in 2014 the opposition made themselves with the goverment, but then the people at Crimea, lots of them of Russian ancestry decided that the region should form part of Russia again, doing a referendum with an 80% of approval this was rejected by USA and other countries.

- the new Ukraine government takes his first military actions against territories in the East when groups started taking out governmental buildings.

- then groups of people in Luhansk and Donetsk, also decided to become independent of Ukraine henceforth known as separatists, 

- new president is elected in 2014 and the groups try to make a truce which  was later violated by separatist attacks

- by 2015 they reach a new agreement of cessfire, but in the end both sides kept attacking each other, western media mostly pointing at separatist groups, while some others (like the colombian that was interviewed by Univision), also point at the continuous harrassment, attacks, bullyng out of the country, and assasinations to the groups that are seen as "pro-russian" by central government(the mislabeled photo of the father leaving his daughter was such a case)

Now Putin has gone off the Rails, in fact i think it was dumb since this just gave the pretext to USA to expand NATO(which they already planned) and have more bases and weapons targeting Russia, there is no need for fake news or missinformation Putin is discredditting himself alone,  the conflict is still at local(eastern european level) but USA and some media seem eager to scalate this conflict to global levels a few days ago Biden said something about "World War III being a solution to the conflict",(in spanish

https://www.reporteindigo.com/latitud/tercera-guerra-mundial-es-una-opcion-biden-defiende-sanciones-economicas-a-rusia/

there's a lot of things going on, and there has been a lot of historic tensions in the region, as this Mexican historian points out

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/opinion/lorenzo-meyer/la-gran-guerra-interminable

that Ukraine joining NATO is just a pretext to have complete Europe become USA private gun pointing at Russia's head, which has only been a continuation of their politic against everything they saw as "comunist" after the end of world war II, and which supposedly shouldn't serve any purpose after the fall of the USSR in 1991.

Now while i disagree with Putin actions,i agree with other users that I don't think taking it out on the Russian people(some have been very vocal against the conflict) like the athletes, scientist,

(image says "This war doesn't have any ration justification": Nobel Prize and more than 600 russian scientis protest.)

baning the products like the vodka, or making Xenophobic remarks and actions truly helps to aleviate things, my country for example was having a homage to Dominican Republic independence, and some retards mistook the blue, red and white colors in the projections for showing support for Russia and started calling out xenophobic things, while we have always had and important populace of Russians AND Ukrainians living here.

As i previously said i would hope for this to end in the quickest and less violent way possible, also there's still tons and tons of information recent and historical we have to analyze to better understand the conflicts and the historic processes that have lead us to them, like I said before this was written better but now i made it in a hurry since i still wanted to give out some of the sites as they were fresh in my memory that have been churning out the fakes and giving more information, greetings.

Last edited by foxmccloud64 - on 01 March 2022