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the-pi-guy said:

I mostly agree with you, except for this bit: 

>Halo alone is bigger than half the games mentioned in your list.

Horizon, The Last of Us, God of War, Spiderman are all close to 20 million copy sellers. 

Halo isn't quite as big as it once was, although it will be harder to compare in the future as sales don't correlate with Gamepass users.

Historically I would say MS wasn't great at managing their studios, quality wise.  But I think they've turned it around massively in the past 5 years, and their studios are doing a lot better. 

This is the thing where people need to research more than just basing popularity off game sales. Game sales have many avenues other than customers going out buying games. Take into account system bundles, console user base size, game discounts etc. 

Comparing games that Sony also heavily bundled with the PS4 which has sold more than double the X1 consoles is going to lead to more software sales overall especially when people are buying PS4's like crazy and are given games like Uncharted and GOW and Horizon for free. The PS4 sales actually help boost game sales by default. When the X1 isn't selling anywhere near as much as the PS4, a game cannot compete in the same space. Their is a big handicap favoring PS. I had a friend who picked up the Uncharted PS4 bundle only because it was the cheapest console bundle during Xmas period, he actually traded back UC4 however that still counted as a UC4 sale. These events happen all the time. Xbox also bundle their games however due to the low console sales, it isn't going to compare in the same manner. 

Lets look at something on a more equal playing field.

Steam Launch concurrent users

Halo Infinite: Peak 270k concurrent users

God of War: Peak 73k concurrent users

Horizon ZD: Peak 53k concurrent users

Now to say Halo isn't as popular to the games above is a massive downplay. Whats insane is people actually think that comparing these Sony titles on the PS4 which has sold over 115m consoles to Xbox titles which sold on a console that sold under 50m systems and claiming those games are more popular is nothing but an uneducated assumption. Based off Steam which has access to both companies titles, the results seem rather different, as proven above.

The 360 vs PS3 era also proves my point as both systems were on par with each other in terms of system user base, and Halo 3 outsold 6 PS3 1st party exclusives combined. As quoted from a article below

MS: Halo 3 outsold six PS3 titles combined • Eurogamer.net

"Just in from research team (NPD): Halo 3 has outsold Resistance 1 + 2, Uncharted 1 + 2, Killzone 2 and God of War III combined.... wow" 

When Xbox is playing on the same playing field as Playstation, its a different ball game. People underestimate the popularity of titles on this site because they only focus on one thing. Mario 3D World sold under 6m copies on the WiiU, i guess Mario isn't as popular anymore based on their logic. Software sales need a strong user base to sell well, that doesn't mean the software isn't popular, it just means the software cannot sell due to industry handicaps.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 20 February 2022