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Slownenberg on 18 January 2022
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burninmylight said:
Slownenberg said:

Some of those characters the OP wants to cut are the coolest characters. Terrible idea to cut the coolest 3rd party characters.

I think next Smash should be something entirely different. No idea what that would be, but it just seems like it'd be weird to release another Smash in the exact same style after we already got Ultimate which feels impossible to top, and just continuing to add more characters doesn't seem like a good idea either.

Maybe on Switch 2 re-release Ultimate with updated graphics and all the DLC included - that'd be an easy way to sell 10 mil copies without much effort, but then start a whole new style of Smash with a new game. As Dulfite said, a new phase of Smash. But i don't know what direction that should take.

Hell, a crazy idea is to just incorporate Smash into Nintendo's Online Service as the final Smash game they ever make. It would make their online service a must have premier service and they could just keep adding characters, levels, story modes, etc to the game over time, without needing to keep trying to up the ante each generation compared with the previous game. It could be an ever-expanding Smash game, and throw in the seasons concept to keep it fresh every 6 months or something. I actually would like this more than them trying to reinvent the franchise and take it away from what we all love, or continuing to trying to just redo what they've already done but with more characters every gen.

As nice as that would be, never going to happen without either the price of the game being incorporated into a NSO subscription or it becoming another price tier. I mean, why make a great PR move and enrich the value of your online service when you can squeeze more money out of your customer's pockets?

This is the same company that thought it was a good idea to more than double the price of its subscription service to get access to poor emulations of a handful of 20-30 year old games.

yeah but I just don't see where they go from here other than the Smash Online concept.

Cuz otherwise the options are basically the totally change up the gameplay to give us something fresh, but then we don't have the Smash everyone loves, so at best they could just re-release Ultimate, as I mentioned, but they would get enormous criticism for that.

Or just keep doing the same thing we've always gotten, except after Ultimate there doesn't even seem to be a point to doing that cuz we literally already have the ultimate version of the Smash formula.

Or the third option is as some people are suggesting go back to basics and limit the content (characters/stages) but that would essentially be a downgrade and Nintendo would get torched for that.

The only non-online thing I could see being even remotely well received is if they basically gave us the same Smash Ultimate multiplayer but then vastly expanded the 'story mode', to something more like a huge action adventure game, but didn't they basically do that with Melee (if I'm remembering correctly) though on a smaller scale, so this could just be much larger and better I guess, worthy of a standalone game in itself. I dunno. Just feels like the series is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place after Ultimate - it'll feel stale if it's the same, but if they change the gameplay everyone is going to miss the classic formula, and even if the story mode is made into a full on action adventure game it'll still just feel like the same thing over again but with a more fleshed out story mode, which they try to do every time anyway, but which might pass as an acceptable update one more time but then they'd really be stuck in this same situation after the next Smash.

A regularly updated Smash Online is the way out as I see it. Of course as you state, Nintendo is not one for giving premium services on their online content. But this could be a huge step to change that...maybe they will finally get really serious about Online, they are at least talking about online these days like they want to make improvements and invest a bunch of resorces to make it better. Like on Switch 2, have the whole retro games service (hopefully by that time NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, GB, GBA will all be on it, hell maybe even GC if I'm getting real wishful thinking) plus online play and cloud saves and all that jazz in a single tiered subscription for $60/year and with it Smash Online which comes out at launch. Wishful thinking perhaps, but that's all I can think of for where Smash should go from here.