Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[SvennoJ]

JRPGfan said:

If its a demand, and you cant be civil enough to show up, and get a jab, when asked too....
I know it sounds extreme..... but its a pandemic.

I'd like things to go back to normal, and hospitals not be strained to the breaking point.
People not getting vaccinated, and takeing up hospital beds, is causeing delays or cancellations of ther operations, and indirectly costing lives.

I think its fair, after a certain point, you just go "fu** it", and make it a mandate, that everyone gets vaccinated.

My opinion may be slightly biased.
My Dad got cancer, and got delays to operations (he needed), and when he did get them, they wheren't done by the best and brightest, but the only ones available to do so at the time (stressed hospital system). The operations went bad,..... and resulted in him not being able to handle his medication (he had some pills that targeted the cancer)...

Long story short, my dads outlook was 5-10 years with cancer, though it would eventually kill him anyways.
However, he passed away within 6months (earlier this year).

Because of poorly done work, with operations, and delays.
He was cheated of haveing maybe ~5 good years of life, maybe liveing upto 10 more, than he got.

Was his death caused by unvaccinated people? maybe indirectly.


Im just saying theres two sides to every story.
Theres bound to be a socialital cost, to people, health and economy, caused by people refuseing to get vaccinated.

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Also the "yelling facist" thingy, was more reguarding Trump and his attack on journalism, the fake news thing, and promoteing far-right propagada like stuff. You saw videos of police attacking tv crews, that where just standing around tapeing (persumably because they didnt want to be video'ed, beating the crap out of protesters).

My condolences, it must have been a very tough time and still is. You're not alone getting hit by the fallout of the pandemic. My wife's friend barely survived her very much delayed diagnosed lung cancer and surgery and now has to live with one lung.


There are many sides, and not just because of those refusing to get vaccinated. The bigger problem always was those refusing to adhere to lock downs and social distancing. Vaccines aren't a solution, just another tool to fight the pandemic. (The most effective one sure, but not enough on its own)

An article was just released about the excess deaths indirectly caused by the pandemic
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/delayed-health-care-during-pandemic-may-have-led-to-thousands-of-excess-deaths-study-1.5686765

Health-care restrictions brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic may have contributed to thousands of excess deaths not related to the virus, along with increased incidents of mental health disorders and substance use, and have put a strain on the Canadian health-care system, according to a study commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association (CMA).

The study shows that delayed treatments or missed health-care services due to pandemic restrictions may have been a factor in more than 4,000 excess deaths unrelated to COVID-19 infections between August and December 2020 and have also resulted in a significant backlog of medical procedures.

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Doctors and patients throughout the year have been warning about the perils of delayed cancer diagnoses due to limited access to health-care services during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Among the delayed procedures highlighted by the study was a reduction in cancer screenings in Ontario, some of which were paused early in the pandemic and apparently remained at 20 to 35 per cent below pre-pandemic levels at the beginning of this year.

The study estimated the backlog of eight procedures, including CT scans, MRI scans, knee replacement surgeries and cataract surgeries, which totalled 327,800 waiting to be performed across the country. It says the days lost to perform these procedures ranged from 46 days for breast cancer surgeries to 118 days for hip replacement surgeries.


On one side you have problem of overburdened hospitals due to high cases, while on the other you have the negative effects of lock downs.

Further research from Statistics Canada earlier this year showed the number of drug overdoses and alcohol-related deaths among Canadians under the age of 65 was on the rise as a result of extended lockdowns and isolation during the pandemic. 

Studies have also shown the pandemic has led to a stark rise in anxiety and depression, especially among youth, across the globe. 

Nearly 17 opioid-related deaths occurred per day across Canada in 2020, the study claims, which was a rise of 70 per cent from the previous year. The rate increased to nearly 20 deaths per day in the first three months of 2021.

Regarding mental health, roughly 20 per cent of Canadians reported high levels of anxiety at the onset of the pandemic in April 2020, the study says, and by June 2021 that number had increased to 24 per cent. In the same period, the number of Canadians reporting high levels of depression increased from 10 to 15 per cent.

Getting the shot to help bring the numbers down is the best thing people can do atm, while continuing to wear face masks in public and social distance where possible to avoid further lock downs. Our youngest got his first shot yesterday. 5 to 11 year olds are up now, getting a smaller doses. While we were there booster shots were given out to 65+. Vaccination is ongoing.