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EricHiggin said:

If a parent does a poor job early in a child's development, then later on decides to 'beat the teachings and wisdom' into the child, would that be seen as acceptable? When the child lashes out, would anyone be surprised? Who would back the parent and put the child in their place in this case? Did the parent likely just make constant mistakes early on, or are they perhaps 'unfit for the job'. If unfit, why isn't child services getting involved?

The Gov and professionals had their chances early on. Forgiveness time is far over. There's a certain percentage of people, much larger then they would like, who aren't going to budge, period. There will come a point where vax pushers will have no choice to drop it. It'll be odd at that point when covid is no longer an issue whatsoever, one way or the other. 'My autonomous electric car doesn't protect me from your self operated diesel truck, so you must get an autonomous electric vehicle immediately as well', isn't gunna fly because it simply makes no sense.

Well, the 'justice' system seems to be on the 'beat into submission' side, which is seen as acceptable no matter what the background. Child services does get involved at some point. Kinda losing the metaphor here.

The problem comes back to the government fears the people, and people fear the government. There is no trust. Yet it's all just people trying to get by. Some people prefer a strong voice, some prefer reason/logic, nobody likes flip flop advice and policies. And saying we don't know at this time is seen as the greatest weakness. Trump went for the strong, confident voice. It doesn't matter if you're 100% right, as long as you believe / act like you are 100% right. Works often, unless you're completely wrong :/ Here we went with flip flip, don't want to cause panic, pretend we know what we're doing and change policy again next week/month.

Both strategies created a lot of mistrust, and indeed no forgiveness. Would it have been better to admit, we don't know yet, we'll keep you informed, please stay home for now. Probably not. And instead of making use of all the information people have at their fingertips nowadays, people just tend to go where there confirmation bias takes them. The problem with the internet is, there's always a group that will agree with you, no matter what.

How to go forward... Vaccines aren't stopping the spread, but do reduce severity of the illness a whole lot. Can we just let it run wild at some point? Covid will continue to be an issue, but treatments are also getting better. Getting rid of it is not a possibility, humans simply can't work together long enough for that to happen. So science to the rescue, more effective vaccines, more effective treatments.

And then the moral question becomes, can we charge for health care to those too stubborn to get vaccinated. Imo, if you don't have any good reason to refuse the vaccine, then if you do get covid, pay for the hospital care yourself. Your body, your wallet. Some states in the US will bill you for search and rescue if it turns out you were not prepared for a hike etc. Imo, the same should apply here.