| Doctor_MG said: The idea of being "massively bundled" doesn't necessarily constitute being the same as Wii Sports (which was bundled in almost every single Wii purchase for a large portion of it's life). Obviously not all of that 8.1M contained a God of War bundle (there was also a Spiderman bundle for $200 I believe). Not to mention, there were more bundles with God of War than just the one that contained Detroit. There was also a bundle that had Gran Turismo, The Last of Us and God of War, as well as the aforementioned Horizon, God of War, and Last of Us bundle (this one went as low as $200, even). In addition, the console had a limited edition bundle day one that came with a PS4 Pro for $399. I'm not saying it was the main driver of sales, but you can absolutely bet that all of these bundles likely added millions to the estimate for God of War. "I just don't think it's on another level compared to Sony IP" Look at these graphs. Nintendo games top Nintendo's charts whereas Sony has a few games with third party products. As you said, Sony does have more competition when it comes to AAA third party games, but looking at the sales suggesting that Sony IP is in some different league in comparison to Nintendo is ridiculous. Even on the Gamecube (Sold just over 20M) it's best selling game outsold all of Sony's IP on the PS3 aside from Gran Turismo. Heck, the Windwaker almost outsold God of War 1 on the PS2 and outsold God of War 2. Again, on a platform that sold one seventh of the PS2. Gran Turismo was Sony's biggest and best selling IP until this generation, but GT 6 was outsold by Splatoon 1 (which you say is an outlier) and GT 5 and Sport were outsold by Splatoon 2 (so it isn't just because of outliers). Lastly, stating Horizon will be as big as Pokemon is a bold claim. You're essentially suggesting Horizon: FW will double the sales of it's original. I don't think that'll happen. Anyway, I think you are looking at a small amount of data and suggesting Sony IP are somehow on Nintendo's level sale wise. This generation they have certainly increased (which is fantastic). The PS4 has three Sony IP in the 20M range, and presumable four to five more above 10M (I'm assuming GT Sport, GoT, TLoU 2 all made it, and I know Horizon did). But we are still in the middle of the Switch's life and they have two games over 30M (one approaching 40M), 6 games above 20M, and 11 games (probably 12 by now with Luigis Mansion) above 10M. Again, this is halfway (maybe more) through the Switch's life. At this point in the PS4's life I don't think there was a single game above 20M. In other words, It's Sony's IP that aren't on the level of Nintendo's IP, not the other way around |
I don't disagree that those bundles added a few million in sales, but when it comes to LudicrousSpeed using the term "massively bundled," the intention is to downplay. You think those bundles added millions to GoW's lifetime total, he thinks those bundles are the driving force for GoW's lifetime total, despite whatever he might claim. Regardless, there is a lot of nuance when it comes to bundles, GoW might have been bundled with HZD + TLOU, but that doesn't mean that millions of that bundle was in stock, that it was a bundle among every retailer, if it was available outside of NA, if it was a Black Friday bundle or a holiday bundle (IE. the $200 PS4 was a promotion for about a month IIRC), etc. God of War being part of these mega bundles doesn't change the fact that Nintendo/Microsoft have padded millions in software sales from bundles themselves.
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When did I say that Sony was in a different league compared to Nintendo? I just stated that Mario currently is the only Nintendo IP that is on a different level compared to Playstation IP. To be clear, even if BOTW2 outsold GOWR, a gap with a few million in sales does not make the IP "a completely different level." BoTW2 would need to absolutely dwarf GOWR in sales, and I mean a gap of at least 10+ Million, for me to agree with such a statement. As for Horizon Zero Dawn, unless you think it stopped selling by the time it reached 10+ Million in early 2019, especially during 2020 where Sony published software accounted for 58+ Million units out of 338 Million units of software sold on the PS4 for the year, and with the pandemic boosting gaming all around, it wouldn't need to double its lifetime sales to match Pokemon in sales. Personally I'd put HZD somewhere around 15+ Million LTD. I think Horizon Forbidden West can push for 20+ Million lifetime sales & I don't think its a bold claim at all.
Even though Nintendo has a richer history, Playstation has created new IP's that have become pillars of the brand ever since the original Playstation: Gran Turismo for the PS1, God of War for the PS2, Uncharted/TLOU for the PS3, Horizon/GOT for the PS4, and that boon is about to continue into the PS5 generation. Nintendo had multiple decades to cultivate their IP, and as we've seen with the Switch, the majority of its best selling titles are mostly from franchises created back in the SNES/GBA. Its similar to how Uncharted and God of War started off as moderate successes but eventually blossomed into massive franchises. This is the first generation where Sony has a handful of IP's that are massive sellers and its not a generation where they are losing ground or getting disrupted. The PS4 is essentially the start of Sony slowly approaching Nintendo's level.
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