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Kyuu said:

Genuine question: Has it ever been confirmed that Game Pass subscriber count is "active" and not "cumulative"?

Playstation Plus at 46.3 million at the last update (down from 47.6 million) were "active" subs; hence a loss of subscribers results in a reduction of subscriber count. For all we know, Game Pass's "18 million and rapidly growing" may well be cumulative (counts "unsubscribes").

Based on the revenue data we have for Microsoft and Sony's gaming divisions, I'm not getting the sense that Game Pass is introducing any unique developments. If Game Pass's subscriber numbers get offset by a decrease in game sales, then no amount of subscribers will entice publishers to put their games on services day and date voluntarily. MS has to continue to pay them, and that may not be sustainable.

Game Pass's biggest obstacle is "time" itself. Time is a greater constraint than budget. If countless people subscribe to Game Pass, it SHOULD have an negative impact on software sales, because Game Pass is taking a lot of players' time, and time is finite. If I were as active as I was during the 6th generation (played several hundred games across 5 or 6 platforms), Game Pass would be godsent to me as a consumer, as I wouldn't have to pay a dime for 99% games I play. This saves me thousands of dollars, but it also means that the thousands I saved didn't fund the games. This is where MS has to pay in my stead.

Until MS are more clear about their gaming profits, give us detailed revenue breakdowns, and explain what they actually mean by "subscribers", no one really knows the answer to these questions.

You argument is basically history repeating intself.

Around 10 Years ago we saw a similar thing when Sony announced PS plus for 50$ a year and get on average 2 games free a month!! (around 20 a year).

Why did sony do it?  With 50$ or 2.5$ a game they must lose so much money especially when I got a year subscription for 30$ a year and they also will have ps plus sales that makes games cheaper.....Are they that deperate? Why would I buy any games on PS3?  I don't have that much time and I am already lucky if I can finish the Just cause 2 free ps plus game in a month.


I mean we have now the Epic game store that gives free games to everyone and don't ask any subscription money.. how much are they losing?

We have Amazon prime that is releative cheap considering the perks (10$ cuts on pre orders) and honestly a nice selection of free games each month: