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Azzanation on 24 September 2021
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EricHiggin said:

"You need to look at this the way the businessmen look at things. They don't care about fanboys or console wars, they look at money."

"Its that they don't want to disclose sales figures for fanboys to compare when one company focuses heavily on hardware while the other doesn't."

Who cares though, right? If MS don't care about the fanboys, because they had moved on to the distant future with XB1, which didn't work out anywhere near as well as the competition who hopped instead of leaped, then why not just show the numbers, since you're not competing with anyone anyway. Everything points to the fact that they do care, and think the fanboys have God like influence which won't work in their favor. Which would imply either the numbers aren't so great, or the fanboys are truly marketing magicians, or both. Especially since that leap hasn't put MS in a position to show numbers yet, with two new console tiers, since they're still behind to the competition who is 'lagging behind', even though it's ahead of it's predecessor.

Is your overall point that XB1 wasn't really part of the 8th gen, but more like 10th gen? In that case MS would have like 6-8 more years to release the numbers. In upsidedownbackwards world, this does make sense actually.

They simply don't care as they don't want to fan the flames of console wars and fuel fanboys. Its as simple as that. 

Evidence below and why they want to stray away from it.

CrapGamer was a Hardcore Xbox fanboy. Have a read below.

After being heavily ratioed by Phil, CrapGamer is now a Hardcore PS Fanboy.

MS don't want to be involved in these conversations, they want to continue as a business and not fuel fanboys, regardless what side of the fence they sit on and i am 100% glad they stopped giving figures, as it does nothing but start childish debates. Its an unhealthy part of the console industry and Phil couldn't say it any better than this

"I think the people who want to pit us against Sony based on who sold the most consoles lose the context of what gaming is about today,"

^ I couldn't agree any more with this. The moment Nintendo and Sony start doing the same thing, the console industry would be a better place.

eva01beserk said:
Azzanation said:

Let me ask you a question, why do they need to tell people their hardware sales? Why do you need the numbers?

The Series X is sold out world wide, there would be a no better time to showcase their sale figures, but they choose to not show them. Maybe MS don't plan on making as many XSXs than Sony is with PS5s. I dunno, and i am surprised people still need to know these figures, unless you have shares with the business. There is no point in knowing. Its like when i buy a new hat at a hat store, i don't care how many hats they sold. Just like when i buy a console, i don't care how many consoles they sell, unless i am a fanboy and want to brag about console sales and to put others down and devalue a brand which is all that happens with this info.

I thought we needed to look at this the way buisnessmen look at it? That changed? 

Tell me where you think this changed? I made it pretty clear.

They care only about the business, they don't care about the console wars and fanboys, hence the "Look at this as a buisnessmen" nothing changed from what i have said.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 24 September 2021